Captain America wrestles The Beast

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I bet you didn't read The Best There Is.

Logan stated in that series that the only time Hank could dream of taking him was when Cassandra Nova mindraped him. And EVEN THEN he defended himself by stabbing Beast [off-panel] and making him flee 😬

Don't play a game you can't win, carver.

I actually would love Beast to be formidable, because that'd make Logan's showings vs. him so much better 😛 😛 😛

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I use to own the best there is. Lol, what in the world. Has some of Wolverine best healing fts from walking through bullets, to walk through flame throwers, etc, etc...

I know what Logan has said about Beast. Doesn't take away from what happened though.

You know which The Best There Is I'm talking about, though? 😛

If you want to post scans from Astonishing X-Men... then keep in mind that it ended with Wolverine's claws at McCoy's face.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You know which The Best There Is I'm talking about, though? 😛

If you want to post scans from Astonishing X-Men... then keep in mind that it ended with Wolverine's claws at McCoy's face.

Lol...yes, I know what you are talking about.

It did end with Wolverine claws at his throat but it also ended with Hank being over Wolverine with his claws Ina killing position as well. Then there's the other mini fight where Hank was tossing Wolverine into vans, etc... a jobber wouldn't be capable of doing anything like that, especially against Wolverine.

Just making sure. A quick check - who wrote it? 😛

He was on top ( 😂 ), yes. But Logan held him with one hand, preventing Hank from using teeth... which he wasn't likely to use anyway... and with claws ready in the other. Range advantage goes to Wolverine. Same with the dmg output.

From the look on Logan's face, you can say he had it all under control, holding back, while Hank was unstable (the whole mutant cure thing really made him lose his shit) and not having to worry about perma-injuring Logan.

Anyway, it was Logan's first fight with the upgraded, so-called "Cat" version of Beast.
While not at 100% and mind-controlled, he still managed to one-shot Cat Hank in EOTS (!). Remember?

Originally posted by carver9
Then there's the other mini fight where Hank was tossing Wolverine into vans, etc... a jobber wouldn't be capable of doing anything like that, especially against Wolverine.

In that fight, Wolverine wasn't serious about the whole thing, laughed off the idea of a fight with Hank. Got cheapshotted a few times, held his claws back... Hank played possum after getting sliced once when Logan got angry...

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Beast often fights with team backing him up. It's important to note how little he brings to the table despite his powerset. Take his fight with the Hulk, for example, from Hulk Smash Avengers -- he jumped at Banner and bounced off, being reduced to a clown worse than Deadpool or Spider-Man.

There should be no way for Cap to wrestle Beast. I thought Beast was..well, at least a bit beastly. Like "I kick the shit out of tanks" type stuff. Not saying he was Luke Cage or anything, but then he doesn't need to be.

Recent fight with Sabretooth pretty much showed what we always knew - that fighting is not in Beast's nature.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Recent fight with Sabretooth pretty much showed what we always knew - that fighting is not in Beast's nature.

Yes but Sabretooth should by all rights also beat the shit out of Cap. Plus they are wrestling here, so brute strength is going to be a factor, not just wrestling skill.

Lol at beast being anywhere near formidable. His brains is his powerset

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol at beast being anywhere near formidable. His brains is his powerset

This.

He's pretty much like Richards. Completely useless on the battlefield w/o prep.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This.

He's pretty much like Richards. Completely useless on the battlefield w/o prep.

Will respond to your post in a min, driving but lol at taking what Sin say at fact. She's always negative about characters. I can tell we have a long ride with Beast stats and performance. Hope you're prepared.

She's always negative about characters that suck.

😛

Sure, do your best to change my mind. Like I said, I wouldn't mind it. Since 2006 or something, I cannot recall any decent feats from him. That's almost a decade of jobbing. And before that, there's plenty of jobbing, too...

Hank's a scientist, not a fighter. Simple as that.

Originally posted by carver9
Will respond to your post in a min, driving but lol at taking what Sin say at fact. She's always negative about characters. I can tell we have a long ride with Beast stats and performance. Hope you're prepared.

I'm honest, you wanna have a feat war between cap and beast? Be my guest he'll lose. It's pretty much the same with Reed and Pym. It's not their powers that make them formidable it's their mind.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just making sure. A quick check - who wrote it? 😛

He was on top ( 😂 ), yes. But Logan held him with one hand, preventing Hank from using teeth... which he wasn't likely to use anyway... and with claws ready in the other. Range advantage goes to Wolverine. Same with the dmg output.

From the look on Logan's face, you can say he had it all under control, holding back, while Hank was unstable (the whole mutant cure thing really made him lose his shit) and not having to worry about perma-injuring Logan.

Anyway, it was Logan's first fight with the upgraded, so-called "Cat" version of Beast.
While not at 100% and mind-controlled, he still managed to one-shot Cat Hank in EOTS ([b]!). Remember?

In that fight, Wolverine wasn't serious about the whole thing, laughed off the idea of a fight with Hank. Got cheapshotted a few times, held his claws back... Hank played possum after getting sliced once when Logan got angry...

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Beast often fights with team backing him up. It's important to note how little he brings to the table despite his powerset. Take his fight with the Hulk, for example, from Hulk Smash Avengers -- he jumped at Banner and bounced off, being reduced to a clown worse than Deadpool or Spider-Man. [/B]

Lol...honestly, I can't remember who the writer is.

Wait a minute. Hank had the physical advantage during that scuffle the entire time and plus, they was up playing Beast healing factor back then anyways so a stab from Wolverine probably wouldn't have killed him, if it even got that far since Beast did have the edge. Not saying Wolverine would've lost but it was a fight.

What is EOTS?

Wolverine was commenting on Beast speed that entire time then he sliced him across the chest. Doesn't look like Wolverine was holding back. IIRC, wasn't Wolverine shocked at his action?

Eots= enemy of the state

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...honestly, I can't remember who the writer is.

Year of release, context, give me anything then. If you don't know what scene I was referencing, just admit it.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Hank had the physical advantage during that scuffle the entire time and plus, they was up playing Beast healing factor back then anyways so a stab from Wolverine probably wouldn't have killed him, if it even got that far since Beast did have the edge. Not saying Wolverine would've lost but it was a fight.

They were dead even. Both had panels of using momentum against each other. Both smashed each other through a wall, etc.

It was a classic stalemate, except for the fact that Logan just wanted to beat some sense into Hank, not tear him apart. Beast, on the other hand, had nothing to lose - could go all out.

Originally posted by carver9
What is EOTS?

You've been posting here for 12 years. Twelve. A dozen. Not casually posting either, more like a regular internet addict posting style. Don't tell me I'm an ass for saying you don't read comics when you ask me questions like this one durhulk durhulk durhulk

EOTS = Enemy of the State, of course. The story arc written by Mark Millar. Wolverine volume 3. Drawn by Romita Jr. Followed by Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. story.

And in the finale of Enemy of the State, we have a weakened Wolverine, missing a portion of his soul, mind-controlled, still being able to one-shot attacking Beast like some z-lister.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine was commenting on Beast speed that entire time then he sliced him across the chest. Doesn't look like Wolverine was holding back. IIRC, wasn't Wolverine shocked at his action?

He commented on Hank's speed, I'll give you that.

He kept his claws sheathed for a considerable time.

Beast had a moment of looking good when he dodged Logan's punch and kicked him into the car, but other than that... nothing. Literally nothing. Getting a sucker punch when Wolverine is laughing with his eyes closed (literally) certainly doesn't count. Neither does tripping him when he offers to help Hank to get up.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

You've been posting here for 12 years. Twelve. A dozen. Not casually posting either, more like a regular internet addict posting style. Don't tell me I'm an ass for saying you don't read comics when you ask me questions like this one durhulk durhulk durhulk

EOTS = Enemy of the State, of course. The story arc written by Mark Millar. Wolverine volume 3. Drawn by Romita Jr. Followed by Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. story.

Wasn't Wonderman being mind controlled at the time by the Serpent Crown or something on those lines (been a long time since I've read that book)? Anyways, Beast just used his momentum against him and he got knocked out by hitting the concrete wall (umm,,,,yeah). It wasn't like they threw down and the Beast won. I guess I just don't see that feat as all that great.

Cap is a much better fighter then Hank. I give Rogers the majority.

Beast is 10 tons now?

Cat Beast was supposed to be Cl. 10, iirc. According to handbooks.

"Big Vermin Beast" should be stronger, judging from his size. No feats to support that, though. Just like there were no feats to support Cat Beast being stronger than Ape Beast...

Huh.
This got bumped?