Bleach vs Naruto

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, and absolute zero is so cold that all molecular movement stops (**** zero point energy). That's why it's absolute, there is nothing lower than it.

The thing about absolute zero, however, is that IIRC it's a theoretical limit and can't be achieved by any current technological means (if ddm were here I'd ask him about this, but he's not so I can't), because heat transfers and shit. So everything would have to be absolute zero for anything to be absolute zero, I think.

Anyway this thread is trash. Kaguya would solo as of right now.

yea absolute zero is theoretical it hasnt been shown to exist yet by human standards

kaguya is def the x factor

You wouldn't need Kaguya to solo Clorox

Pretty sure Nardo could solo Clorox before even Obito came along

People throw around soloing entire verses way too casually lol. I don't think people realize how godlike you would have to be to contend with so many characters with varying speeds and hax. But hey sure, Naruto before Obito even showed up could def solo Bleach.

LOL KMC is hilarious.

Doesn't take all that much to crush a verse that only has numerical superiority over you, and nothing else. Reason why the HST has been on the receiving end of godstomps against any DBZ character past Raditz tier

DBZ has zero hax. It's speed/strength and energy blasts. There are dozens and dozens and DOZENS of haxed characters who would SHIT all over DBZ characters.

jk. Goku during the Buu saga was a lowballed 70 million times faster than light.

LOLOLOL

DBZ has zero hax. It's speed/strength and energy blasts. There are dozens and dozens and DOZENS of haxed characters who would SHIT all over DBZ characters.

Yeah, too bad none of them exist in in Nardo, Clorox or OP

jk. Goku during the Buu saga was a lowballed 70 million times faster than light.

>something most of us never claimed

OK then

Naruto

Originally posted by Trocity

jk. Goku during the Buu saga was a lowballed 70 million times faster than light.

No, that really doesn't work. Not with how long it took Gotenks to circle the Earth....

Is that a "someone calced a speed at lower power, then multiplied up for higher power" calc? Because it's not simple multiplication like that, and light speed isn't something to just be linearly reached either...

How the hell you can calc stack in Gotenk's feat I'll never know.....

Originally posted by Trocity
People throw around soloing entire verses way too casually lol. I don't think people realize how godlike you would have to be to contend with so many characters with varying speeds and hax. But hey sure, Naruto before Obito even showed up could def solo Bleach.

LOL KMC is hilarious.

She godstomps Bleach with a single attack.

I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

Bleach has plenty of haxxx to work with too, like Ichibe's power. My bets are still on Naruto, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

On the flipside, Sasuke was able to spam his Perfect Susano'o's attacks, he can casually rapid-fire slice meteors apart.

I don't think Kaguya is in this thread though the Naruto team would still win.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I dunno, Kenpachi's destructive power rivals or surpasses Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, and there are characters in Bleach that are a good ways ahead of him.

Bleach has plenty of haxxx to work with too, like Ichibe's power. My bets are still on Naruto, though.

Um... No.

Kenny could destroy a meteor with about a mile or so diameter, in his shikai.

Sasuke was slicing them into ribbons by the dozens with his PS. Not to mention that he was stronger than Jyuubidara, who via powerscaling, was much stronger than Jyuubito, who was much stronger than Hashirama, who was much stronger than the same Madara who cut a MOUNTAIN RANGE in half with his PS.

Sasuke >>>>>>> Mountain range slicing.

I mean, why do you think they added the part in the Last where Naruto casually tanked a moon busting attack? And that was even after he lost his Asura powers. Sasuke STILL had his rinnegan, meaning Sasuke >>>>> Last Naruto > Moon slicing.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Kenny could destroy a meteor with about a mile or so diameter, in his shikai.

I saw a pretty reliable looking calc showing it to be closer to 5 miles.

Sasuke was slicing them into ribbons by the dozens with his PS.

And Kenpachi couldn't? He wiped one out with a single blow, you don't think he could dish out another?

Not to mention that he was stronger than Jyuubidara, who via powerscaling, was much stronger than Jyuubito,

Much stronger?

Hashirama, who was much stronger than the same Madara who cut a MOUNTAIN RANGE in half with his PS.

Again, much stronger? 😬

Sasuke >>>>>>> Mountain range slicing.

Yep; just like 5-mile-thick meteors >>>>>>> 0.3 mile-thick mountains

I hate any character statement that starts "via power scaling"

Sauce guy has feats, they crap on team Bleach.

That is all.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Doesn't take all that much to crush a verse that only has numerical superiority over you, and nothing else. Reason why the HST has been on the receiving end of godstomps against any DBZ character past Raditz tier

Also? Numerical superiority counts for a lot less when there's an individual who can manifest at least hundreds of himself at high levels.

Naruto by himself could take on every high-level Bleach character, and he'd be the one with numerical superiority.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kaguya is stronger than someone who cut the ****ing moon in half.

She godstomps Bleach with a single attack.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, first off, I don't remember Ichibei ever "bending space".

Anyway, a few things.

Firstly, 1 RI = 2.44 miles

Sound = 768 mph = 12.8 mps

1,000 RI = 244,000 miles

244,000 mps = Ichibei's speed

Speed of Ichibe = 19,062.5 times faster than sound, or mach 19,062.

So, overall, Ichibei is about mach 19,000. Impressive.

Now, let's look at Naruto.

I could go all around, scaling character speeds from how the Jyuubi shot a biju bomb across several countries to reach the lightning country, or how massive the gods tree was, or how characters have been moving as fast as lightning since Killer Bee in first cloak mode, but it's easier just to give reaction speed.

The easiest way to do that is by using Jyuubidara and Jyuubito. Both of whom were casually able to react to, and even outspeed Minato's Hiraishin, which teleports his body as a mass of light, and at the speed of light. Meaning that their combat speed is FTL+. Kaguya is "on a whole other level" than those two, and Naruto and Sasuke both managed to combat her, and even physically dominate her at times.

Not saying the Naruto characters are FTL in movement speed, but they can definitely react to it, and work with their warping techniques in tandum with their ridiculous reaction speeds to make them the equivalent to MFTL, at least when fighting. I'd definitely say though that certain characters later on get FTL in movement speed, such as Gai in 8th gate and above.

That was definitely not a sonic boom my friend, Ichibei did indeed bend space. Minato's Hiraishin doesn't travel him as a mass of light, neither is it light speed, its instantaneous movement, however only the teleporting is instant, both Juubito and Juubidara only reacted to Minato after he teleported. Sasuke was getting stomped by Kaguya, it was Naruto who was doing the dominating.

Gai had the greatest speed feat in the Manga, which is usually believed to be his distorting of space, however, how can we know he was even distorting space? He certainly didn't move more then a few metres after all, it could have been simply him distorting air right?

The same could be said for Ichibei too, but you can't say that was a sonic boom either, considering that someone like Yhwach was shocked at the speed of his hand, unless Bleach characters only have speed of sound reactions.
Since when was Killer Bee faster then Lightning in his first cloak? 😱
Naruto characters aren't in the Mach thousands, except for perhaps Might Gai if his distorting of space is true, that's sub-relativistic speeds right there.
Ichibei should still be faster then any Naruto character though.
Also, remember that Yhwach is here, and any attack he sees is rendered useless, he can see into the future, and only the Soul King himself is above the 'Almighty.'

nobody in naruto is lightspeed

That was definitely not a sonic boom my friend, Ichibei did indeed bend space.

Very clearly not.

Minato's Hiraishin doesn't travel him as a mass of light, neither is it light speed, its instantaneous movement, however only the teleporting is instant, both Juubito and Juubidara only reacted to Minato after he teleported.

The fact remains that the Raikage using his lightning transportation couldn't tag Minato before he warped, and Madara by contrast landed three blows on him before he got the chance.

Gai had the greatest speed feat in the Manga, which is usually believed to be his distorting of space, however, how can we know he was even distorting space?

Because it's directly stated that he did.

He certainly didn't move more then a few metres after all, it could have been simply him distorting air right?

He moved several miles, if you are to actually pay attention to the scan. Also, air can't bend a truth seeker rod.

The same could be said for Ichibei too, but you can't say that was a sonic boom either, considering that someone like Yhwach was shocked at the speed of his hand, unless Bleach characters only have speed of sound reactions.

Both Naruto and Bleach characters at this point on an average basis should be high-end hypersonic or low-end massively hypersonic, no higher on either side with the exception of Guy.

Ichibe should still be faster then any Naruto character though.

I see no quantifiable evidence for this.

Also, remember that Yhwach is here, and any attack he sees is rendered useless, he can see into the future,

This seemingly doesn't apply when he's dealing with other godly beings though, a we saw in the most recent chapter.