Jaina Solo vs. Hero of Tython

He had been shot through the shoulder prior to anything, and it was noted that that alone was hindering him. Then, he had his arm taken off, followed by being stabbed through the stomach. Cut it however you want, the amount of strain that would be put on his body physically, and thus on his Force reserves to replenish himself, would be overwhelming for most beings. The only reason Jaina wasn't stomped by Caedus is because he was balancing his energy between fighting her and keeping himself from dying.

Even then it's worth noting that Caedus could've turned it into a stalemate if he wanted to.

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Originally posted by ILS
He had been shot through the shoulder prior to anything, and it was noted that that alone was hindering him. Then, he had his arm taken off, followed by being stabbed through the stomach. Cut it however you want, the amount of strain that would be put on his body physically, and thus on his Force reserves to replenish himself, would be overwhelming for most beings. The only reason Jaina wasn't stomped by Caedus is because he was balancing his energy between fighting her and keeping himself from dying.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Even then it's worth noting that Caedus could've turned it into a stalemate if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Arhael
Are we talking about first or second fight? Regardless, you assume here about how it affected him. Even in first fight Caedus one-shotted Jaina, when she cut off his arm. In second fight same thing - gut stub followed by Force blast and lightning. It's been established that pain amps Caedus, not other way around. If less injured Caedus is so much better why didn't he stomp Jaina before she cut-off his arm?

She was being hugely amped.

I'm not making any assumptions; read the fights again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She was being hugely amped.

Originally posted by ILS
I'm not making any assumptions; read the fights again.

Eh, Jacen hit her below her guard, I don't think he'd need any additional power from pain to have beaten her. Its more that he just outplayed her. And it's not that she only gets the amp after that point. We only get her perspective at that point, so we don't know when it started.

BTW, bare in mind that Jaina admits inferiority to people like Saba, Horn and others:

"You?" This came from the other end of the table, where Corran sat looking surprised and worried. "You're only a Jedi Knight."

"So is Jacen," Jaina replied, relying on a technicality-but knowing that it would work in her favor if anybody tried to argue that a Jedi Knight wasn't powerful enough to confront Caedus. "I know that you Masters-and several Jedi Knights-are more skilled in both Force and lightsaber than I am. But I'm his twin sister. I'll have advantages no one else will."

Like I said, the first bullet alone was hindering him physically. If I dedicated the time I could read the fights through and pick up the other text discussing his physical state, but I can't be arsed, so this will hopefully suffice:

But the second pellet, the one that didn't miss, caught Caedus in the shoulder and sent him spinning. With Roegr's sword arm still trapped in an elbow lock, he pulled the Mandalorian around with him, and Jaina's next burst of mag-pellets slammed into the blue plate still affixed to the dead man's back. The impact tipped the balance, driving Caedus over a row of seats and out of sight down on the floor.
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Caedus was on his feet again, dancing back and forth, his wounded arm hanging limp at his side, wielding his lightsaber one-handed and still deflecting everything that Vatok and the other Mandalorian were pouring down toward the Moffs.

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Though Vatok still had two good arms and Caedus had only one…

Having common sense helps as well. Look at what happened with Plagueis when he was suffering heavy blood loss and organ damage - he spent lavishly on his reserves just to keep himself from passing into unconsciousness, which is why the maladian assassins found as much success as they did, as non-Force sensitives. And in fact, Jaina herself points out how powerful Caedus must be to be able to continue fighting at some point during the scene, regarding his power as far beyond hers because of this.

Just saying, pretending Caedus wasn't in an awful physical state in order to wank Jaina is just a fools errand.

Actually, Plagueis remarks after he's dying that he was going to "unleash hell" on them. He might've been able to do worse to them than that.

Jacen was slashed through the kidney from the get-go of his fight with Luke.

Caedus>Luke confirmed

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Jacen was slashed through the kidney from the get-go of his fight with Luke.

Caedus>Luke confirmed

Originally posted by Arhael
He lost second fight and there is no way he could stalemate it.

So why did this turn into whether Caedus could have killed Jaina or how powerfull Caedus was during their second fight? Isn't it about whether HoT could beat Jaina? I think it was, just sayen. Don't mean to butt in or anything but just pointing that out. Anyway, imo, I believe HoT would win in terms of saber combat. In terms of Force then Jaina definitely wins but I think she would have trouble keeping him/her off herself. Plus there's the HoT's Force Leap and precision with saber throws I doubt that she can handle his/her full power.

What's Jaina got that indicates she'd beat the Hero in the Force? Vitiate couldn't. Even a weakened Vitiate massively outclasses Jaina with the Force.

People are arguing over the Caedus thing because people find Caedus to be immensely skilled and powerful, so how legitimate Jaina's showings against him were determines how skilled and powerful she is in turn.

Originally posted by Arhael
You assume Jacen was hampered in Force in final fight, good luck proving it. With same success I can assume that Jacen was hampered, when he fought Luke because Luke did a surprice attack at beginning and gave him internal organ wound right at beginning followed by serious concussion to the head.

She had to struggle just breaking his choke on a Mando, and she admitted weakness to him in the force iirc before their first fight.

Originally posted by ILS
Like I said, the first bullet alone was hindering him physically. If I dedicated the time I could read the fights through and pick up the other text discussing his physical state, but I can't be arsed, so this will hopefully suffice:

Having common sense helps as well. Look at what happened with Plagueis when he was suffering heavy blood loss and organ damage - he spent lavishly on his reserves just to keep himself from passing into unconsciousness, which is why the maladian assassins found as much success as they did, as non-Force sensitives. And in fact, Jaina herself points out how powerful Caedus must be to be able to continue fighting at some point during the scene, regarding his power as far beyond hers because of this.

Just saying, pretending Caedus wasn't in an awful physical state in order to wank Jaina is just a fools errand.

Assuming that Jaina wouldn't be able to resist Caedus' Force attacks, if not the
lucky gut stab at beginning is even more fools errand.

He could've dealt Jaina a killing blow just as she dealt him one, but he chose instead to reach out to Allana or something.

She had to struggle just breaking his choke on a Mando, and she admitted weakness to him in the force iirc before their first fight.

Did he choke her in her second duel? The only time I remember she broke his choke was when he was strangling Bobba's granddaughter?

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