Karnak Vs Lady Shiva

Originally posted by carver9
Karnak latest showing had him taking it to a small group of Avengers and busting through a cell built to hold the Hulk. He takes this.

Widow and Tony were dumbed down to Rhino's level.

Who has Karnak beaten in HTH?

Originally posted by carver9
busting through a cell built to hold the Hulk.

This is all i see

Grade A ass whooping right there

So Karnak has no good fighting feats?

Karnak is such a D-List character that he gets the jobber treatment. If written up to his potential, he could have been a contender. Sadly though, he isn't.

Shiva wins.

Karnak is Extremely skilled in HTH, without even counting his weak spot power, and as an Inhuman his physical states are well moreso than Shivas (bio states hes a bit above Capt America physically). Karnak would definitely take preboot Shiva, dont know anything about this new Shiva though.

That one hit KO from Panther is easily a very low showing for Karnak, and Id certainly pick BP over old Shiva as well.

Originally posted by DTM
Karnak is Extremely skilled in HTH, without even counting his weak spot power, and as an Inhuman his physical states are well moreso than Shivas (bio states hes a bit above Capt America physically). Karnak would definitely take preboot Shiva, dont know anything about this new Shiva though.

That one hit KO from Panther is easily a very low showing for Karnak, and Id certainly pick BP over old Shiva as well.

Seriously? Who has he beaten

Oh, Im not a huge expert on Karnaks fighting history, I just believe him to be physically superior to Shiva (who is normal human, to his Inhuman......pun intended), and as his main ability is HTH combat and how to exploit his foes weaknesses in HTH combat, that leads me to believe Karnak should beat Shiva in a fight.

Physical stats isn't really a problem. Shiva has gone toe to toe with Cass who is a legit bullet timer. She also owned Shadow dragon who had enhanced stats.

Cassie Cain is borderline superhuman in her speed and agility, sure, but Karnak is that, plus superhuman strength, toughness and endurance. Add in his world class fighting skills and pinpoint weakness power, he has more advantages against her than she does in return, IMO.

Yet he's been casually owned twice by tchalla

yeah, i'm not really buying the enhanced stats either, tbh. and even if he is enhanced to some degree, i don't think stats alone can be used to gauge how he'd do here. it's not like ma guys don't take on superhumans all the time or anything....

The whole pin point thing is good on paper but not in the actual comics

Sadly, I like the character, but has he ever won a fight?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i'm not really buying the enhanced stats either, tbh. and even if he is enhanced to some degree, i don't think stats alone can be used to gauge how he'd do here. it's not like ma guys don't take on superhumans all the time or anything....

If anything Prof's fights show how poor his combat skill is BECAUSE he's trained and is enhanced human in stats. I mean I know Black Panther is one of Marvel's top Street Level guys, but ****.

Originally posted by DTM
Oh, Im not a huge expert on Karnaks fighting history

Not seeing a lot to recommend Karnak as a top MA.
If he wins this its going to be on his superior physical stats and his power.

Ffs. His stats are nothing to write home about. Every Inhuman is supposed to be - slightly - superior to humans physically. Whether it means they surpass average OR peak human is not clear. Gets forgotten most of the time, anyway. A detail. No real feats backing it up.

Mutants are supposed to have higher stats, too... even without factoring in their powers... meh.