Batman Vs Sebastian Shaw

Originally posted by carver9
I showed you what you asked for. Not continuing with that since I proved my point. Now in regards to him squeezing the life out of Batman. Here we have him choking Wolverine and is even threatening to bend him...him and his adamantium.

http://i.imgur.com/cCQxz.jpg

That's two of your questions out of the way. Would you like to add anything else for me to show? With that said, Batman gets squeezed to death.

My point was that for every fight you posted, I could post two. So Shaw is twice as likely to shout it out than not.

You proved nothing, therefore.

Was that his FIRST attack? No, it wasn't.

You still proved nothing.

Where is the first scan I asked for, which started all this? Immunity to gas?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize your entire argument is based on Shaw screaming out how his powers work in a thread where the threadstarter clearly didn't want Batman knowing how his powers work, right? It's one thing for this to happen naturally in a fight, it's another for the first hit to ruin all the surprise.

"No basic knowledge"
"Yeah well Shaw screams out every minute detail about his powerset so that's no issue."

You might as well start arguing that Batman doesn't go into fights without knowing who his opponent is. So therefore he has to have knowledge. There's meant to be a little leniency in character stupidity in threads where something or someone isn't supposed to do something or know something.

While you're arguing that you might as well argue that fight stopping monologues are a large part of forum battles as well while you're at it. Maybe Shaw screams his secret plan too. It can't be because writers think too little of readers that they have to blatantly state everytime he uses his powers. Hell maybe Flash slows down a little in every fight to explain what he's doing and give the opponent a chance to give up and land some hits on him? Sure you'd love hearing Carver argue that, no?

With that said, Batman wins.

I just reckon the CIS is a huuge part of his character. He's an arrogant SOB, who loves lording it over mere humans because he is superior - and loves to rub that fact in people's faces. I'VE argued that in character, Flashes get tagged - hell, I've even supported it with scans. Which is why CIS/PIS off Flashes are dangerous.

You reckon it's huge part in a fight where for whatever reason Batman has absolutely no knowledge of him like it was being hidden?

And I'm sure Carver would love to post in a Hulk vs Flash thread with you arguing Flash would get hit. 🙂

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You reckon it's huge part in a fight where for whatever reason Batman has absolutely no knowledge of him like it was being hidden?

And I'm sure Carver would love to post in a Hulk vs Flash thread with you arguing Flash would get hit. 🙂

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Ha it should be made. Although I do believe I brought up the point that with his processing and reflex speed, even if he makes the wrong decision, he can easily correct himself 🙂

I just think its a pretty key part of his character, he DOEs shout it a lot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha it should be made. Although I do believe I brought up the point that with his processing and reflex speed, even if he makes the wrong decision, he can easily correct himself 🙂

I just think its a pretty key part of his character, he DOEs shout it a lot.

I don't get how this is a serious argument spanning the whole thread though. You speak of straw grasping yet you have the tightest grip.

I don't think I've ever seen someone argue a winner based off the words that come out of another character's mouth in comics. ****

That's because I guess I always saw Batman's greatest asset being his mind, being able to process information that's presented to him and forming a tactic accordingly.

I didn't want to be lazy and just say he spams his armoury off the bat, with no prior knowledge.

How do you see him winning?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's because I guess I always saw Batman's greatest asset being his mind, being able to process information that's presented to him and forming a tactic accordingly.

I didn't want to be lazy and just say he spams his armoury off the bat, with no prior knowledge.

How do you see him winning?

With that being said, Batman doesn't need to know Shaw's powers or what he absorbs to understand that a physical approach won't work when Shaw seems refreshed after every attack. It could easily be perceived as an invulnerability thus prompting creative gadget ****ery.
Batman isn't retarded. He doesn't need to know the in depths of a power to formulate a plan. He's quick enough to dodge after he realizes h2h is a no go, which will give him more time to think when he isn't directly in his face. Eventually something non physical which should be his go to will work and take Shaw down. Most likely gas. Or depending how far amped he is, ice or some shit considering Selene almost beat him "passive aggressive" rocks.

Or he just punches his head off

Bluewaterrider, I may have found the answer to your question.

There ARE two women besides Rogue in the scan you were asking about, which is the third scan below the end of this paragraph.

One of those women is Regan Wyndgarde, aka Lady Mastermind, and she, like her father, Jason Wyndgarde, works with Sebastian Shaw, and she, like her father, Jason Wyndgarde, has the ability to create powerful illusions.

The half-blonde/half-brunette woman is probably her impersonating Sage to confuse the others ...

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//sebstrength7.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media-full//strength_rogue5.jpg.html

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Rogue flies toward X-Men’s hotel room, carrying Gambit and Red Lotus. Rogue tries to contact Sage through her glasses, informing that she plans to convince Red Lotus of the X-Men’s innocence. Once they reach their destination, Sebastian Shaw and Lady Mastermind are waiting for them. Shaw surprises Rogue and punches her so hard, the impact sends her rocketing through several rooms until she bursts from the other side of the building. Rogue quickly recoils from the punch and counterattacks, but her efforts are useless. Shaw’s power to absorb kinetic energy makes him stronger every time he’s hit, and he overpowers Rogue. Gambit and Red Lotus join the fight, but Shaw and Lady Mastermind force them to retreat. Red Lotus grabs Gambit and leaps from an open window, seemingly killing them both as they plunge several stories to the ground. Inside the hotel suite, Rogue becomes another victim of Lady Mastermind’s illusions.

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http://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/x-treme-x-men-1st-series-7

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't think I've ever seen someone argue a winner based off the words that come out of another character's mouth in comics. ****

Dr Strange, Zatanna, Purple Man, Blackbolt, Nico (Runways) Constantine, Johnny Thunder, etc....

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No one has ever argued for any of those characters

Originally posted by Scoobless
Dr Strange, Zatanna, Purple Man, Blackbolt, Nico (Runways) Constantine, Johnny Thunder, etc....

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Regardless of whether Shaw shawsplains or not, if Batman is going into this fight with no knowledge he is going to be just as wary as any other time he faces a new opponent.

He's going to look at Shaw and immediately notice that he has confidence and swagger despite facing a guy with armor and equipment - the signs of someone who is used to beating opponents and probably quite easily at that. He's going to notice Shaw isn't armed at all, hasn't been seen flying so far, and hasn't let loose with any ranged attacks yet. He will probably notice the body language of a fighter.

Bats will probably conclude that either at least one likely power is super strength, or that this guy is maybe just a really good fighter. Either way caution is a good idea. Batman sees super strength all the time, so he knows it's not a good idea to rush in. He probably won't throw an explosive batarang straight away either - that could just kill the guy if he's not durable enough.

So Batman will probably try a few feints, some quick attacks to gauge Shaw's level. Nothing that will amp Shaw much because Bats is only human and also is not yet using explosives etc.

At this point Shaw might break into shawsplanation which he loves. Or Bats might notice Shaw takes every hit with delight, and never bothers to dodge a punch ever - he's either out of Batman's league entirely or Bats may deduce something funny is going on - those hits are actually helping him.

At this point he might realize he is outclassed go for the pressure point attack - something faster than the chokehold Tigra used, the sort of thing that has dropped Hulk, Thor etc. Or he might try the gas. Or if he has deduced/shawsplained then he may go for a combo freeze pellets (reduce Shaw's KE) and gas/pressure point. I think in this scenario he can win.

BUT - if Bats does go for the explosive batarang/taser attack then this amps Shaw a lot more. Bats will realize the error, but it will make wining more difficult. In this scenario Batman could still possibly take wins using gadgets and smarts or stalemate but the odds will be tougher.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't get how that can be attributed to Batman's genius. Any retard with a plethora of gadgets will realize that he should probably use gadgets when the ins and outs of the opposition's powers are being laid out in front of you.

With that being said, Batman doesn't need to know Shaw's powers or what he absorbs to understand that a physical approach won't work when Shaw seems refreshed after every attack. It could easily be perceived as an invulnerability thus prompting creative gadget ****ery.
Batman isn't retarded. He doesn't need to know the in depths of a power to formulate a plan. He's quick enough to dodge after he realizes h2h is a no go, which will give him more time to think when he isn't directly in his face. Eventually something non physical which should be his go to will work and take Shaw down. Most likely gas. Or depending how far amped he is, ice or some shit considering Selene almost beat him "passive aggressive" rocks.

Or he just punches his head off

I'm usually with you big buddy Bran, but I just don't see that scenario being likely at all for Batman. The more likely scenario is him getting curbed in the first 10 seconds of the fight. Shaw already starts out with some built up energy. Assuming he doesn't just shout out his powers (which I agree he likely wouldn't) and batman engages him in a fist fight (which is likely) it would literally take shaw landing one blow to KO batman or worse. That's all it would take.

Calm down.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't get how that can be attributed to Batman's genius. Any retard with a plethora of gadgets will realize that he should probably use gadgets when the ins and outs of the opposition's powers are being laid out in front of you.

With that being said, Batman doesn't need to know Shaw's powers or what he absorbs to understand that a physical approach won't work when Shaw seems refreshed after every attack. It could easily be perceived as an invulnerability thus prompting creative gadget ****ery.
Batman isn't retarded. He doesn't need to know the in depths of a power to formulate a plan. He's quick enough to dodge after he realizes h2h is a no go, which will give him more time to think when he isn't directly in his face. Eventually something non physical which should be his go to will work and take Shaw down. Most likely gas. Or depending how far amped he is, ice or some shit considering Selene almost beat him "passive aggressive" rocks.

Or maybe, as you say, he interprets Shaw's power as invulnerability, and throws an explosive batarang at him...

Then Shaw absorbs the explosion and breaks Batman's neck.

Batman absorbs the neck break and explodes Shaw.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Batman absorbs the neck break and explodes Shaw.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Batman recently did take a tank blast near point blank range and he was more annoyed then anything. That's not even a joke either.

I need to address this because Ive been seeing this feat greatly misinterpreted around here. I read this issue yesterday and Bats clearly did NOT take that tank shell head on. The shell CLEARLY hit the building above him and he was buried in the debris. It was damn impressive that he shook off that amount of debris in the time that he did, but he sure did NOT take that tank shell head on like some guys around here have been saying.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I need to address this because Ive been seeing this feat greatly misinterpreted around here. I read this issue yesterday and Bats clearly did NOT take that tank shell head on. The shell CLEARLY hit the building above him and he was buried in the debris. It was damn impressive that he shook off that amount of debris in the time that he did, but he sure did NOT take that tank shell head on like some guys around here have been saying.

Thanks bro. ABHI was the first to post it and it went from there. Good catch.

I knew you'd still be posting.

Scans of thunderclapping and gas not affecting him?

Note as well nobody was in all seriousness relying on that scan 👆