Batman Vs Sebastian Shaw

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fair enough. I see the hand 2 hand fighting being similar to the fight he had with Bane, with shattered concrete etc flying about - but more one sided on Shaw's account.

IOW, Bats could very feasibly tank the initial blow(s?) from Shaw, until he busts out the rest of his tech (once Shaw has done his shouty bit).

His first hit against Rogue (we didn't see him amp before this either), Rogue thought she was punched by the Hulk. Looking at high fts from both, Shaw cripples him with the first hit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what level is that? Honest, serious question.

Looking at everything as a whole...strong enough to slap around class 50's without a showing of amping up. Shaw doesn't have a single showing where he starts of at human levels physically. Sounds like a myth to me.

Originally posted by carver9
Looking at everything as a whole...strong enough to slap around class 50's without a showing of amping up. Shaw doesn't have a single showing where he starts of at human levels physically. Sounds like a myth to me.

Never said human levels.

But there is a huge, HUGE gap between human levels and slapping class 50s, don't you agree?

Originally posted by -K-M-
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Why did he dodge the mounted gun after?

Only batman knows and he's always in the know

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shaw screams his powers out:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ShawvsRogue.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54353/2402275-hercules___fighting_sebastian_shaw_panel_color_med.jpg
http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/artsamples/x-men-byrne-hellfire-shaw.jpg
http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/image-files/uncanny-x-men-134-sebastian-shaw-superpowers-1.jpg

He's hardly known for his subtlety.

'FOOL! DO YOU NOT KNOW WHO I AM?? ANY BLOW YOU LAND, ONLY SERVES TO MAKE ME STRONGER!!!'

He did so with people that he knew couldn't harm him.. he never EVER did so with Magneto or the young mutant trainees. He wouldn't do so here. Batman gets curbed and this should be closed for spite. Batman can't even beat other MA artists that DD or the good Captain... How's he going to beat someone that would curbed all of them combined in a few blows? What... just because of equipment? Please. Gas wouldn't work.. we've never seen shaw effected by it.. and if he knew he was.. he'd simple blow it back at batman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He did so with people that he knew couldn't harm him.. he never EVER did so with Magneto or the young mutant trainees. He wouldn't do so here. Batman gets curbed and this should be closed for spite. Batman can't even beat other MA artists that DD or the good Captain... How's he going to beat someone that would curbed all of them combined in a few blows? What... just because of equipment? Please. Gas wouldn't work.. we've never seen shaw effected by it.. and if he knew he was.. he'd simple blow it back at batman.

He did it against Magneto:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108449/2043999-3.jpg

Donald Pierce:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_donaldpierce1.jpg

Namor:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/sebstrength2.jpg

In first class he only did so against people he knew wouldn't harm him.. He never did so with Magneto.. Never with young mutants etc etc. ... Clearly he's not an idiot. He's not going to know he's going into a fight with an unknown opponent who he doesn't know what powers he brings to the table and yelll..... Your punches won't harm me I absorb kinetic energy. Sorry, not likely. Batman gets curbed here

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In first class he only did so against people he knew wouldn't harm him.. He never did so with Magneto.. Never with young mutants etc etc. ... Clearly he's not an idiot. He's not going to know he's going into a fight with an unknown opponent who he doesn't know what powers he brings to the table and yelll..... Your punches won't harm me I absorb kinetic energy. Sorry, not likely. Batman gets curbed here

Are you talking about the film?

yes

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
yes

I'm not talking about the film. Are you in the wrong forum?

I thought you were referring to the film. In any case, there are plenty of times he doesn't just scream out his powers to unknown foes. The times he does, he's usually fought them before and they are well aware of his powers.

It doesn't matter if he throws it out or not in this fight. The OP said Batman doesn't know about Shaw's abilities, so Shaw will not be screaming out anything.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't matter if he throws it out or not in this fight. The OP said Batman doesn't know about Shaw's abilities, so Shaw will not be screaming out anything.

Here's a straw to grasp.

OP said he has no basic knowledge - which would be before the fight. Are you seriously telling me that during the course of the fight, the World's Greatest Detective WOULDN'T deduce it?

Next, please post scans of Shaw NOT shouting his powers out in a fight. I reckon I could post 2 separate fights where he does, for every separate one of yours where he does.

I am still waiting for your scans of Shaw thunderclapping, or not being affected by gas, or of crushing someone to death as his first attack. Three scans. Simple, right? Just use Google (I know you already have, so you may have to dig a bit deeper). You've probably already tried vomiting scans from his respect thread - too bad they don't have what you seek.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's a straw to grasp.

OP said he has no basic knowledge - which would be before the fight. Are you seriously telling me that during the course of the fight, the World's Greatest Detective WOULDN'T deduce it?

Next, please post scans of Shaw NOT shouting his powers out in a fight. I reckon I could post 2 separate fights where he does, for every separate one of yours where he does.

I am still waiting for your scans of Shaw thunderclapping, or not being affected by gas, or of crushing someone to death as his first attack. Three scans. Simple, right? Just use Google (I know you already have, so you may have to dig a bit deeper). You've probably already tried vomiting scans from his respect thread - too bad they don't have what you seek.

😂 You didn't have to come at me like this Dark.

Anyways, Shaw amping abilities are insane. Here, the only thing Mags does to him is punch him, grab his arm, and pin him with some thick steel wire and he gathered enough strength to rip through it with ease.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108449/2044006-magnetoshaw1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108449/2044008-magnetoshaw2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108449/2044008-magnetoshaw2.jpg

He also didn't scream out his abilities during this scuffle.

Also, it's within Shaw's ability to grab Batman and squeeze him to death. Batman will get close, will punch and kick which would lead to his death.

DS seems a little hostile in this thread. Good job carver!! LOL

Originally posted by carver9
He also didn't scream out his abilities during this scuffle.

Also, it's within Shaw's ability to grab Batman and squeeze him to death. Batman will get close, will punch and kick which would lead to his death.

👆

That's one fight you've shown.

Here are two, against Cyclops and against Cannonball:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/absorb2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_cannonball1.jpg

Keep going 🙂

Scans of the thunderclap and of squeezing? And of gas not affecting him?

@ Kurupt:
Ha, you haven't seen me hostile yet. Tbh, carver knows what I'm like when hostile - and this is not it either

Am off to bed, post as many scans as you can of Shaw having separate fights without screaming his powers out - and I will play catch up 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆

That's one fight you've shown.

Here are two, against Cyclops and against Cannonball:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/absorb2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/strength_cannonball1.jpg

Keep going 🙂

Scans of the thunderclap and of squeezing? And of gas not affecting him?

@ Kurupt:
Ha, you haven't seen me hostile yet. Tbh, carver knows what I'm like when hostile - and this is not it either

I showed you what you asked for. Not continuing with that since I proved my point. Now in regards to him squeezing the life out of Batman. Here we have him choking Wolverine and is even threatening to bend him...him and his adamantium.

http://i.imgur.com/cCQxz.jpg

That's two of your questions out of the way. Would you like to add anything else for me to show? With that said, Batman gets squeezed to death.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's a straw to grasp.

"No basic knowledge"
"Yeah well Shaw screams out every minute detail about his powerset so that's no issue."

You might as well start arguing that Batman doesn't go into fights without knowing who his opponent is. So therefore he has to have knowledge. There's meant to be a little leniency in character stupidity in threads where something or someone isn't supposed to do something or know something.

While you're arguing that you might as well argue that fight stopping monologues are a large part of forum battles as well while you're at it. Maybe Shaw screams his secret plan too. It can't be because writers think too little of readers that they have to blatantly state everytime he uses his powers. Hell maybe Flash slows down a little in every fight to explain what he's doing and give the opponent a chance to give up and land some hits on him? Sure you'd love hearing Carver argue that, no?

With that said, Batman wins.