Originally posted by Nephthys
Not sure why you're going for Ulic. He has less going for him as Bane does and many of the "arguments" you've used against Bane apply to him as well.
He was the only guy to hold his own against Exar Kun, Bane has beaten no one on Exar's or even fought anyone on his level. None of Bane's force attacks are powerful enough to harm him, and he's faster than him as well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And how is Exar any greater than Bane as well? His only saber feats are beating essentially featless people like Vodo and Sylvar, killing fodder guards and stalemating Ulic. If you followed your own standards you'd be backing Bane here.
Nope. Ulic has beaten back a nexus amped Warb Null who was kicking the asses of Tott Doneeta and Cay at once, fought while deprived of the force against a Jedi he one shot him basically while Bane got stomped by weakling Sirak and only beat Kas'im by using nexus energy. Bane needed nexuses to beat his opponents, Ulic beat his opponents in spite of being hindered. None of Bane's force attacks will penetrate his shields either, he can tank and knock back a nexus amped Ommin's darkside attacks, tank blaster bolts that can penetrate ships.
Bane's out of his depth as usual
Tott, Cay and Null are also featless. You're just building up your castle on equally shaky sand here. Sirak and Kas'im also beat people, you just don't care because they're featless. But suddenly Tott and Cay are worth something. Right. And he one shot who? All of Banes opponents had the same amps or greater ones to call upon. And Ulic has no offense to challenge Bane either. Though I'd argue against Ulic blocking Bane's lightning and TK so easily.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Tott, Cay and Null are also featless. You're just building up your castle on equally shaky sand here. And he one shot who? All of Banes opponents had the same amps or greater ones to call upon. And Ulic has no offense to challenge Bane either. Though I'd argue against Ulic blocking Bane's lightning and TK so easily.
Lol @ having no offense to challenge Bane, he's the more skilled duelist by virtue of having faced Exar. Unless Bane has some superior showing other than losing and getting beaten by far inferior opponents to Exar, than I don't really have to worry about Ulic losing a duel now do I? He can dodge Bane's lightning/deflect it/or block it with his saber, and none of Bane's force showings with telekinesis are powerful enough to suggest he could dominate Ulic (whose blasted back multiple Jedi at once).
Exar was hailed as an unparalleled duelist as a Jedi, during a time period where masterful swordsmen were plentiful due to frequent conflicts arising. Then Ulic stalemated him before they became Sith and received a tremendous boost in power. They both have pretty decent dueling feats and accolades (Exar's including being considered "virtually unstoppable" with his saberstaff), but the best one is Ulic contending with Sylvar ten years after his physical prime, severed from the Force. Sylvar being good enough to somewhat contend with Exar in sparring, speedblitz massassi with her bare hands, and strike as a blur to Nomi Sunrider. He would have been a far superior combatant as the version of himself who fought Exar, and they both only improved after that point.
I don't think Bane has equivalent hype or feats.
Originally posted by carthage
Lol @ having no offense to challenge Bane, he's the more skilled duelist by virtue of having faced Exar. Unless Bane has some superior showing other than losing and getting beaten by far inferior opponents to Exar, than I don't really have to worry about Ulic losing a duel now do I? He can dodge Bane's lightning/deflect it/or block it with his saber, and none of Bane's force showings with telekinesis are powerful enough to suggest he could dominate Ulic (whose blasted back multiple Jedi at once).
No force offense, obviously. Lol at you dodging the issue and just restating how good Exar is. Nice. He can't dodge it forever if at all and Bane destroyed a massive temple that weathered turbolaser fire, which is a bit of an upgrade to laser cannons. And Bane has also blasted multiple Jedi and Sith back.
Originally posted by ILS
Kas'im was hailed as an unparalleled duelist as a Sith, during a time period where masterful swordsmen were plentiful due to a thousand years of war arising. Then Bane beat him before he became the Sith'ari and received a tremendous boost in power with 20 years of additional training. They both have pretty decent dueling feats and accolades (Kas'im including being considered "unstoppable" with his saberstaff), ok I can't think of a good way to translate the rest into Bane but you get my point but the best one is Ulic contending with Sylvar ten years after his physical prime, severed from the Force. Sylvar being good enough to somewhat contend with Exar in sparring, speedblitz massassi with her bare hands, and strike as a blur to Nomi Sunrider. He would have been a far superior combatant as the version of himself who fought Exar, and they both only improved after that point.I don't think Bane has equivalent hype or feats.
Bane does have equivalent hype and feats, and I'm pretty sure you know them as well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No force offense, obviously. Lol at you dodging the issue and just restating how good Exar is. Nice. He can't dodge it forever if at all and Bane destroyed a massive temple that weathered turbolaser fire, which is a bit of an upgrade to laser cannons. And Bane has also blasted multiple Jedi and Sith back.
Sirak beat no one other than an inexperienced POD Bane, and Kas'im only "beat" his master (off panel), and we have no idea how good he was. So again kindly show me anyone they beat that compares to Null beating multiple Jedi at once, or Ulic cutting his way through nexus amped Krath/droids, killing King Ommin, fighting a Jedi whilst deprived of the force, or fighting evenly with Exar who was described as "unparalleled" . Bane nearly died to Sithspawn,was beaten by Sirak, lost a duel to Fohargh, and only beat Kas'im by gathering nexus energy from the Lehon temple. Also lol @ using his temple feat in spite of that feat being debunked multiple times
Not sure why there has to be a force advantage here, both of them are primarily duelists and have both been shown to prefer to fight it out. Bane uses lightning intermittently, and its of no real consequence for the reasons I mentioned above. Their telekinesis would only be used for shoving each other or something. Even there the power gap isn't large enough between the two to make a difference.
Kas'ims masterful dueling skills consist of sabotaging Bane's training by deliberately holding knowledge of Jar kai, getting driven back twice, and then ultimately dying due to a monologue. He doesn't have any actual accolades to my knowledge comparable to Exar lmao, and of course he has zero feats even coming close to Kun
Its hilarious that you're the second person to even compare them