Again what double standards?
I asked you to post feats for showings that Kas'im or Sirak possess that are comparable and or superior to the showings of Ulic or Kun. Still waiting for you to post them. Skill feats were already posted multiple times for Ulic, not my fault you have nothing to offer that's superior tbh
Originally posted by carthage
Sirak beat no one other than an inexperienced POD Bane, and Kas'im only "beat" his master (off panel), and we have no idea how good he was. So again kindly show me anyone they beat that compares to Null beating multiple Jedi at once, or Ulic cutting his way through nexus amped Krath/droids, killing King Ommin, fighting a Jedi whilst deprived of the force, or fighting evenly with Exar who was described as "unparalleled" . Bane nearly died to Sithspawn,was beaten by Sirak, lost a duel to Fohargh, and only beat Kas'im by gathering nexus energy from the Lehon temple. Also lol @ using his temple feat in spite of that feat being debunked multiple timesNot sure why there has to be a force advantage here, both of them are primarily duelists and have both been shown to prefer to fight it out. Bane uses lightning intermittently, and its of no real consequence for the reasons I mentioned above. Their telekinesis would only be used for shoving each other or something. Even there the power gap isn't large enough between the two to make a difference.
Sirak was the top student in the academy. You think he bought his way there? No, he fought his way to the top as is the Sith way and established himself in the frequent duels that took place. Beating 2 featless Jedi at once means nothing. Bane (and Kas'im) can blitz fodder like that and has. And lol at Ulic killing droids and Krath. Bane probably killed more than Ulic as a Gloom Walker. Kopecz blitzed a squad of the Republic's finest (Havoc squad?) with them barely managing to get off a single shot each. And Kas'im was far greater than him. Though I don't know why I should be establishing Kas'im and Sirak against Ulic. Not really the point, I was comparing them to Null and Vodo. I'm not even dignifying the rest of your lowballing.
Throwing your opponent can be useful. Malgus for example has frequently gotten an advantage with simple throws.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sirak was the top student in the academy. You think he bought his way there? No, he fought his way to the top as is the Sith way and established himself in the frequent duels that took place. Beating 2 featless Jedi at once means nothing. Bane (and Kas'im) can blitz fodder like that and has. And lol at Ulic killing droids and Krath. Bane probably killed more than Ulic as a Gloom Walker. Kopecz blitzed a squad of the Republic's finest (Havoc squad?) with them barely managing to get off a single shot each. And Kas'im was far greater than him. Though I don't know why I should be establishing Kas'im and Sirak against Ulic. Not really the point, I was comparing them to Null and Vodo. I'm not even dignifying the rest of your lowballing.Throwing your opponent can be useful. Malgus for example has frequently gotten an advantage with simple throws.
Again he beat Bane when Bane was at his lowest at the academy, on topic of Bane having lost his connection to the darkside (temporarily). Sirak doesn't compare to Ulic who even at the same time in his training had already killed Null who beat back those Jedi, killed Ommin who blasted back Arca Jeth/multiple Jedi, etc.. Proof Kas'im "blitzed fodder" he has no combat showings at all outside of his duel with Bane, so nice try with your own subjective point there 👆. Bane's showings as a Gloom walker are decent, but Ulic outduelled his opponents and they were also amped by Ommin's magic. Ulic's feat is superior. Show me a single showing for Kas'im outside of his dueling with Bane that puts him above Null beating multiple Jedi at once other than the implication of him being "great". Vodo was capable of fighting Kun evenly and without the need for cheating unlike Kas'im who sabotaged Bane's training, and unlike Kas'im he could actually hold his own against Exar without the need for tricking him.
Glad Bane can throw opponents, Ulic can do the same i,e throwing a fully armored Mando.
Edit: You claimed Bane killed more as a Gloom walker? Proof? The only showings he had was sniping those guys iirc.
Neph, to add to your points, Sirak had never lost a single duel with another apprentice before he fought Bane the second time.
And Kas'im, was not only held in esteem by Bane. Githany and Kaan both regarded him as basically the best duel in the entire order. Githany even believed that the notion of anybody besting Kas'im in the order, aside from Bane, was a laughable one, and she was standing right in front of Kaan when she said this to his face, somebody who she believed to be the embodiment of the Dark Side, and she wasn't even aware of the full scope of Kas'im's capabilities with a saberstaff yet, let alone Jar'kai.
That's all well and good but character perspectives are still usually irrelevant.
Anakin said Obi was as wise as Yoda and as powerful as Windu, I doubt most people believe this to be true.
Likewise, Kyp Durron believed himself to be more powerful than Luke - again, I doubt anyone thinks Kyp's opinion means anything.
Traya said Revan was true power, that looking at him was like looking into the heart of the force - please tell me most people don't believe Revan to be the heart of the force.
Character perspectives usually mean nothing.
I don't recall saying that. Nor do I see it's relevance. Yoda's opinion is probably pretty spot on though. I see nothing that suggests Qui-Gon wasn't one of the best duelists to emerge in 400 years. Nor is there anything suggesting that there was a Sith who eclipsed Kas'im.
But that's a little different, since it's based on Yoda's recollections, whereas Kaan certainly knew the value of his current forces, which were largely directly under his command at the time.