Originally posted by Nephthys
*buried.
And while you're at it, please correct Bantha's plural form for Starkiller which he writes as Starkiller's LMFAO in "Starkiller runs a Bendak gauntlet" thread. You posted there, but somehow did not see it. You've become less perceptive, I suppose 👆
Neph, give me something that would apply in a fight against Fisto. Having great mind resisting power, and being called better than someone who is a super weapon or other hyperbolic nonsense and vague implications of great power, does not put him above a jedi who is one of the greatest of jedi of an order in it's prime, and who has solidly bested a cyborg that has bested other jedi with actual good feats as well. I haven't even brought up Fisto's other feats, such as his quick and easy slaughtering of some of Grievous' personal elite magnaguards, which is just as good as blitzing fodder sith, considering magnaguards' reaction speed.
Defeating a godlike being, who wasn't operating any near close to full power, is a very unquantifiable feat, and it's not up to you to level the wrath based on it. I mean, the logic your using with this feat, you can just as easily say he's greater than Sidious, since Sidious, too, has never beat down a possessed body who can create life through thin air.
Again, provide me some saber feats, and force feats that would apply against someone like Kit in combat. It's very simple if you can. Stop getting worked up about how mad/hostile you think I'm getting (it's not stopping your point by point responses, so what's the worry?), and worry about your own frustration and anger, because only your argument is being effecting by such emotions, and your emotions are visible in your posts.
I'll happily accept that Fisto might lose, if you provide what I'm looking for. You're not even coming close, and I could make a better case for your precious Wrath (lol) if I wanted to, TBH. A stomp is far, far overdoing it, though. Sorry, but you should already know how I feel about making a character out to be far more than what they've shown, unless their power levels are absolutely established in all eras without needing to show it, such as the ones.
So... try again?
@Stigma, thanks.
I posted 9 minutes worth of saber and force feats on the first page, bro. Sid (ha ha ha) you watch it? Carthage himself pointed out some notable examples.
Dismissing a feat just because you don't like how powerful it indicates a character is is silly. Obviously it doesn't mean he's greater than Sidious. But that feat is still ****ing incredible and you know it is so defeating a being that powerful reflects very well on the Wrath. There are some factors like Sel Makor possibly being inexperienced with combat since he's non-corporeal and operates through Avatars, but the feat is highly impressive regardless, since he would certainly have to deal with Sel Makor's power.
I've pointed out many examples of the Wrath's combat feats and posted a video of him in action. I don't see why it's not good enough for you for him to have defeated extremely powerful, skilled opponents that eclipse Kit. That we don't get to see the fights occur is simply a limitation of the medium. What matters is that he defeated these guys, regardless of how he did it. These feats are still quantifiable and I've gone a long way to trying to explain that to you but you've simply chosen to willfully ignore all of that to lowball him.
If you care about me making a character out to be far more that they've shown, then I hope you understand how I feel with you making out a character to be far less than they've shown. That's how I feel about this.
Also, skipping out on responding to the bulk of my points and then thinking you can condescend to me is lulzworthy.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Try again, and stop accusing me of what I'm not doing. It's making you look desperate. I've not dismissed anything. Kit's feats are just better, so are his accolades.Your posts about the ones tops your posts here. I don't know what to say. lol
Look, if you don't want to respond you can just say so. This isn't a playground where the first to stop responding loses. You can leave at any time and I won't think less of you for it.
You've repeatedly tried to dismiss things. I bring up the Terentatek feat and you call it irrelevant. I bring up the Wyellett feat and you ignore it. I bring up the Dread Masters and you say it proves nothing. I bring up Sel Makor and you dismiss it as unquantifiable and insist Dooku would crush the Wrath. I write 2 long posts and you don't bother responding to them. I write another response and you tell me to try again. It's bad enough to be doing it but at least be honest about what you're doing. 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's relevant when you try butting in to a conversation without any and miss the point.S66 keeps asking about specific combat feats. I was referring to how he beats them in response to that.
Without any what?
Just because I didn't respond to the argument doesn't mean I didn't read it. My question is valid: dismissing context is silly and I'm curious if it only applies to SWTOR or if it's just a general thing?
Neph, give me something that would apply in a fight against Fisto. Having great mind resisting power, and being called better than someone who is a super weapon or other hyperbolic nonsense and vague implications of great power, does not put him above a jedi who is one of the greatest of jedi of an order in it's prime, and who has solidly bested a cyborg that has bested other jedi with actual good feats as well. I haven't even brought up Fisto's other feats, such as his quick and easy slaughtering of some of Grievous' personal elite magnaguards, which is just as good as blitzing fodder sith, considering magnaguards' reaction speed.
Wrath has deflected blasterbolts point blank, ripped off massive stone/steel ceiling portions and crushed people with them, blitzed a Jedi that was charging him, and killed a Jedi/multiple troopers with a TK wave before the Jedi could react. Fisto's best telekinetic feats are moving a massive canister/redirecting missiles. Wrath has a power advantage and Fisto's speed advantage is probably at best slight. Wrath is faster than AOTC Kenobi by a bit, anyway. As for skill Wrath was considered one of the best of the Sith Empire which is a comparable accolade to Fisto's at the very least.
Again, provide me some saber feats, and force feats that would apply against someone like Kit in combat. It's very simple if you can. Stop getting worked up about how mad/hostile you think I'm getting (it's not stopping your point by point responses, so what's the worry?), and worry about your own frustration and anger, because only your argument is being effecting by such emotions, and your emotions are visible in your posts.
Beating the Emperors Voice and beating Darth Baras who defeated Darth Angral and stalemated Satele Shan >> killing magnaguards. Fisto doesn't have the same advantage to exploit against Wrath that he had against Grievous, Wrath utilizes a single blade and Wrath's power is also an edge in his favor.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's relevant when you try butting in to a conversation without any and miss the point.S66 keeps asking about specific combat feats.
You mean asking for? That are better than Kit's, yes. You haven't, though. Whereas I went into detail about how good Kit's opponents were, and how good his opponents' opponents were; you haven't. You provided me with feats, and ignore context.
Kit's not trying to mind dominate him.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Without any what?Just because I didn't respond to the argument doesn't mean I didn't read it. My question is valid: dismissing context is silly and I'm curious if it only applies to SWTOR or if it's just a general thing?
Without any steak. 😐
(context) 😉
Context can be important but there are times when it's unavoidably impossible to fully have. Obviously we can't see the individual saber blows of the Wrath vs Baras fight because it's a video game. So we can't see exactly how the Wrath got the upper hand. But he did get it. There's no apparent reason why he couldn't replicate the same effectiveness against an equal or lesser opponent. Furthermore, because it's a video game we can't see the Wrath pull off many feats, because the vast quantity of the fighting takes place in gameplay. So it's only logical that we move slightly away from feat-based evaluation and towards achievement-based evaluation. An achievement is still a feat, but it doesn't satisfy the specific examples S66 was looking for. And even then, I did actually post many feats for him that he never fully acknowledged.
I'm reminded of my thoughts on that age-old argument about the Malak vs Revan duel. Remember that? People kept arguing that it was unquantifiable because he could have just used mines or grenades or something. I don't buy into that though because if hes that good with grenades/mines/whatever then he can use the same effectiveness again for equal results. So the feat stands. Unless there actually is a specific context where a victory isn't replicate-able then it's valid as a feat.