Spiderman vs Ares (Marvel)

Originally posted by Delta1938
The Carvatar is incapable of sarcasm in any form.

Pretty much EVERYBODY was hurting Thanos to some degree in that fight. Spider-Man hurting him ain't really that impressive in that context.

And Carter weeps because his "Wolverine stabbed IG Thanos" isn't all that.

It doesn't help that most of his low showings are from that issue either.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Between Spidey and Bats, only one of them is specifically mentioned in forum rules as an example of PIS.

Which one is it, Batman kicking the Spectre bloody?

It's threads like this that make me sad my PC died on me along with all the scans I had stored. Google doesn't have everything and it takes too long to find but since Sin says no one here makes an argument for Spider-man I'll take a shot.
Note: I'm not including the many examples of Spider-man putting up fights against character way above his and Ares league and only concentrating on below class 100+ characters. If someone feels that I'm leaving out some sort of context please say so, I'll be happy to address it.

Clobbers Titania
http://www.superherostuff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/secret-wars-spidey2.jpg

Knocks out Griffin (if you're not familiar with this Namor's sparring partner look him up)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2781/img017v.jpg

Demonstrates that his punches are capable of hurting (damaging) the following characters:

- The Thing (It's not in English but art speaks for itself)
http://www.jurnalu.ru/online-reading/comicsonline/avengingspiderman/avengingspiderman014annual01/14

- Ms. Marvel
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120556/3230887-image.jpg

- Namor (not the only example but can't find others at the moment)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3731783-1701491472-33883.jpg

Random punching feats:
- punches Scorpion's jaw clean off (SpOck). The same upgraded Scorpion that beat Titanium Man, tanked Ms. Marvel's attack and a fall from the atmosphere.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72463/2882335-amazingspiderman700c_scorpion_jaw_broken.jpg

Sends Flash Venom flying head first digging a trench in the pavement and sending cars flying away
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3654222-spidey+punching+feat.jpg

Oneshot koes a freaking Trex
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/4/42924/788977-2.jpg

Death head loses his head (SpOck).
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15821438/Deaths_head_2.jpg.html

Damages future ironman suit
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125392/2876584-feat19fight4es2.jpg

Damages Civil War Iron Man suit
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11111/111116949/3158168-spider+man+destroys+ironman.png

Iron Man suit again (notice bits and pieces flying off)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/3029252-1443330-ironman_vs_spidey_08_super.jpg

Iron Man suit.. again..
http://www.jurnalu.ru/online-reading/comicsonline/amazing/amazing544/19
There's another example with one of the most recent IM armors but can't find it online.

Punches the Digger so hard that the punch generates a shockwave powerful enough to crack pavement in the city above them (Digger was weakened at that point).
http://unicomics.ru/comics/online/amazing-spider-man-495/20
Then there are the fights with Morlun (no, they were not retconed) and many other examples. One out-of-context Absorbing Man scan posted by mistake doesn't take away from all those feats.

All those scans are meant to show that Peter is capable of hurting Ares+ level characters. I will also say that Spider-man is significantly faster than Ares and much more agile. We can compare speed feats if necessary. And his webbing is strong enough to slow Ares down. Again, I can provide feats if necessary. I'm not ready to put numbers on it but all that leads me to believe that this is going to be a decent fight.

Originally posted by SamZED
Knocks out Griffin (if you're not familiar with this Namor's sparring partner look him up)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2781/img017v.jpg

AMPED Griffin. Fought Wonder Man, too.

And Parker one-shotted him.

Good arguments, Sam.

Do you really feel he wins, though?

Originally posted by SamZED
It's threads like this that make me sad my PC died on me along with all the scans I had stored. Google doesn't have everything and it takes too long to find but since Sin says no one here makes an argument for Spider-man I'll take a shot.
Note: I'm not including the many examples of Spider-man putting up fights against character way above his and Ares league and only concentrating on below class 100+ characters. If someone feels that I'm leaving out some sort of context please say so, I'll be happy to address it.

Clobbers Titania
http://www.superherostuff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/secret-wars-spidey2.jpg

Knocks out Griffin (if you're not familiar with this Namor's sparring partner look him up)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2781/img017v.jpg

Demonstrates that his punches are capable of [b]hurting (damaging) the following characters:

- The Thing (It's not in English but art speaks for itself)
http://www.jurnalu.ru/online-reading/comicsonline/avengingspiderman/avengingspiderman014annual01/14

- Ms. Marvel
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120556/3230887-image.jpg

- Namor (not the only example but can't find others at the moment)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3731783-1701491472-33883.jpg

Random punching feats:
- punches Scorpion's jaw clean off (SpOck). The same upgraded Scorpion that beat Titanium Man, tanked Ms. Marvel's attack and a fall from the atmosphere.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72463/2882335-amazingspiderman700c_scorpion_jaw_broken.jpg

Sends Flash Venom flying head first digging a trench in the pavement and sending cars flying away
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3654222-spidey+punching+feat.jpg

Oneshot koes a freaking Trex
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/4/42924/788977-2.jpg

Death head loses his head (SpOck).
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15821438/Deaths_head_2.jpg.html

Damages future ironman suit
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125392/2876584-feat19fight4es2.jpg

Damages Civil War Iron Man suit
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11111/111116949/3158168-spider+man+destroys+ironman.png

Iron Man suit again (notice bits and pieces flying off)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/3029252-1443330-ironman_vs_spidey_08_super.jpg

Iron Man suit.. again..
http://www.jurnalu.ru/online-reading/comicsonline/amazing/amazing544/19
There's another example with one of the most recent IM armors but can't find it online.

Punches the Digger so hard that the punch generates a shockwave powerful enough to crack pavement in the city above them (Digger was weakened at that point).
http://unicomics.ru/comics/online/amazing-spider-man-495/20
Then there are the fights with Morlun (no, they were not retconed) and many other examples. One out-of-context Absorbing Man scan posted by mistake doesn't take away from all those feats.

All those scans are meant to show that Peter is capable of hurting Ares+ level characters. I will also say that Spider-man is significantly faster than Ares and much more agile. We can compare speed feats if necessary. And his webbing is strong enough to slow Ares down. Again, I can provide feats if necessary. I'm not ready to put numbers on it but all that leads me to believe that this is going to be a decent fight. [/B]

OMD retconned the other story arc stilt. His relationship with mj, public knowledge of his identity as well as his new powerups and mystical origins.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
OMD retconned the other story arc stilt. His relationship with mj, public knowledge of his identity as well as his new powerups and mystical origins.

Does that mean that he doesn't have the power to do the things that he has done, or just that he never did them because of the retcon?

Originally posted by cdtm
Good arguments, Sam.

Do you really feel he wins, though?

Eh.. just trying to make an argument for my boy. I'm leaning towards Ares taking the majority. I just feel they never write him to be the kind of threat he probably should be.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
AMPED Griffin. Fought Wonder Man, too.

And Parker one-shotted him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
OMD retconned the other story arc stilt. His relationship with mj, public knowledge of his identity as well as his new powerups and mystical origins.

Originally posted by SamZED
Thanks. 😄

Eh.. just trying to make an argument for my boy. I'm leaning towards Ares taking the majority. I just feel they never write him to be the kind of threat he probably should be.

Iirc they fought off-pannel, no? How do you figure Griffin was amped?

His fights with Morlun were referenced several times, Ezekiel was mentioned as well, the whole "Spider mystical totem" thing is still canon. So is his relationship with MJ, they only got rid of the wedding part, Slott dedicated several issues to tell the story. Everything that happened did happen, except instead of being "married" they were "in a relationship" because something got in the way of the ceremony. Same goes for Pete's unmasking. He did reveal his secret identity during the Civil War. But there's a spell that prevents people from remembering his identity. The whole thing is still a mess but not as big of a mess as we originally though it's going to be post OMD. Thanks to Slott. The only "retcon" he left unexplained - Pete's webbing and senses upgrades because "screw organic webbing, nobody wants it anyway", it was a Rami films influenced thing and fans were sick of it for quite some time. As for the stingers, as far as we know they're still there. We've seen Kaine use them because he unlike Pete embraces The Other.

What references? The only instance i recall of Parker mentioning the events was a conversation with Kain. Not saying i don't believe you but ive never seen any post omd showings that explicitly state his powerset or mystical origins was still intact.

Sin is calling you a liar, Sam.

Originally posted by SamZED
Iirc they fought off-pannel, no?

No. It was on-panel.

Originally posted by SamZED
How do you figure Griffin was amped?

Because I read the book? 😐

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What references? The only instance i recall of Parker mentioning the events was a conversation with Kain. Not saying i don't believe you but ive never seen any post omd showings that explicitly state his powerset or mystical origins was still intact.

Originally posted by SamZED
Thanks. 😄

Eh.. just trying to make an argument for my boy. I'm leaning towards Ares taking the majority. I just feel they never write him to be the kind of threat he probably should be.

Iirc they fought off-pannel, no? How do you figure Griffin was amped?

His fights with Morlun were referenced several times, Ezekiel was mentioned as well, the whole "Spider mystical totem" thing is still canon. So is his relationship with MJ, they only got rid of the wedding part, Slott dedicated several issues to tell the story. Everything that happened did happen, except instead of being "married" they were "in a relationship" because something got in the way of the ceremony. Same goes for Pete's unmasking. He did reveal his secret identity during the Civil War. But there's a spell that prevents people from remembering his identity. The whole thing is still a mess but not as big of a mess as we originally though it's going to be post OMD. Thanks to Slott. The only "retcon" he left unexplained - Pete's webbing and senses upgrades because "screw organic webbing, nobody wants it anyway", it was a Rami films influenced thing and fans were sick of it for quite some time. As for the stingers, as far as we know they're still there. We've seen Kaine use them because he unlike Pete embraces The Other.

Pete only used the stingers once I recall. When he fought Morlun when he was hospitalized. I can't think of another occasion. And even then that wasn't under his control.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sin is calling you a liar, Sam.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. It was on-panel.

Because I read the book? 😐

Originally posted by SamZED
Reading's for stupid people. So shut up, nerd.

😆

Good one, good one.

Now to answer your question, Hood used the Norn Stones or whatever and amped his crew. Mandrill was affected, too. 100% sure of it.

Unamped Grif was pretty damn strong (Class 90?). With the amp, he might have even reached Class 100. That's higher than Ares, btw 😖hifty:

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Pete only used the stingers once I recall. When he fought Morlun when he was hospitalized. I can't think of another occasion. And even then that wasn't under his control.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😆

Good one, good one.

Now to answer your question, Hood used the Norn Stones or whatever and amped his crew. Mandrill was affected, too. 100% sure of it.

Unamped Grif was pretty damn strong (Class 90?). With the amp, he might have even reached Class 100. That's higher than Ares, btw 😖hifty:

What issue? Wasn't the main Secret Wars series, right? I wouldn't miss something like that.

Surprised you didn't post amnesiac SM vs. Black&gold IM, btw.

Originally posted by SamZED
Pete's also used it against El Muerto (another totem) in a desperate situation. Basically they'd only pop out if he "embraced the spider". Kaine on ther other hand is a killer, he already sees himself as a beast, a hunter.

Ah okay my bad. Thanks for telling me that. Never knew.

Going through the comics when I made my Morlun respect thread I thought that was only occasion. Thanks for the help.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What issue? Wasn't the main Secret Wars series, right? I wouldn't miss something like that.

Surprised you didn't post amnesiac SM vs. Black&gold IM, btw.

I was gonna crybaby Couldn't find it online and my computer is still dead.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah okay my bad. Thanks for telling me that. Never knew.

Going through the comics when I made my Morlun respect thread I thought that was only occasion. Thanks for the help.

I couldn't find the book where Peter talks about rejecting The Other but I instead (by pure accident) found a scan from an issue of Scarlet Spider that explains just that. Peter had The Other powers but saw it for what it was and "eventually rejected" it. Kaine couldn't.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x9WkQ0oBy-I/USKrQnaOnJI/AAAAAAAAA34/fWienwjlfSA/s1600/ScarletSpider14-9.jpg