Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And my point was that Ares has taken punches from people above Spideys weight class. A-bomb. Skaar. Hercules. Sentry. He wasn't Koed, even after multiple punches. Btw, I've never seen Spidey throw hundreds of punches.
I know, and I'm not saying that Spiderman can go blow for blow with that nut-job. But then again that's not how Spiderman fights. Even against foes that are weaker than he is, he tends to bounce around picking his shots when he can. Your problem is that you don't want to see that anyone stating that Ares may not even be able to hit Spiderman is an option because of the multiples of times that he done so against guys in Ares weight class, and even beyond. Hercules doesn't fight like Spiderman, neither does Thor.
You have to understand what I'm saying here. Spiderman isn't going to be one shot kayoing Ares, but his punches, webbing, agility, precognitive powers and tactile traction will give him better odds of hitting Ares. Let's not pretend that Peter is a weakling. Every punch from him would be able to launch a character of Ares' size, and weight. Can Ares win? Yes he can, and easily at that. But, and this is a large BUT. He has to actually hit Spiderman. Given Peters record of going into to fights like this and coming out nearly unscathed, there is a large chance that he can literally turn this into a no contest.
Originally posted by Stoic
I know, and I'm not saying that Spiderman can go blow for blow with that nut-job. But then again that's not how Spiderman fights. zeven against foes that are weaker than he is, he tends to bounce around picking his shots when he can. Your problem is that you don't want to see that anyone stating that Ares may not even be able to hit Spiderman is an option because of the multiples of times that he done so against guys in Ares weight class, and even beyond. Hercules doesn't fight like Spiderman, neither does Thor.You have to understand what I'm saying here. Spiderman isn't going to be one shot kayoing Ares, but his punches, webbing, agility, precognitive powers and tactile traction will give him better odds of hitting Ares. Let's not pretend that Peter is a weakling. Every punch from him would be able to launch a character of Ares' size, and weight. Can Ares win? Yes he can, and easily at that. But, and this is a large BUT. He has to actually hit Spiderman. Given Peters record of going into to fights like this and coming out nearly unscathed, there is a large chance that he can literally turn this into a no contest.
Or Spiderman tires himself out with the leaping and the punching. It goes back to my analogy with the kid and his bigger, older brother.
Even if the little kid lands 'hundreds' of punches (I've never seen Spidey have this amount of stamina, btw), it doesn't add up like you think it does. He tanked 15 ground pound punches from a pissed off Herc. Four punches from a Voiding out Sentry. You are equating Spidey's cumulative 'hundreds' of punches with punches of that magnitude. When in fact as time goes on, he will be tiring, and he won't be punching with the same force as before.
Can he punch Ares? Of course. Will it actually KO him? Considering what he has stood up to in the past (multiple times), no. And as time goes on, Spidey will tire, he will slow, and then, it's over.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how people are using the times people have jobbed to Spider-man as proof that he can beat Ares, it would be like using all the times Deathstroke has hit a member of the Flash family as proof that he has near light-speed reactions.
No it isn't the same. Ares isn't the Flash. Nor would it be PIS for him to hit Ares, and be gone before Ares attempted to hit him back. Spidey could literally stand on Ares head and stomp him repeatedly and evade time and again based on past feats. It's not jobbing when it keeps happening. What I love is when people only take a couple of attributes like strength, and durability and make it seem like other powers don't matter. This is Ares, not Superman. Ares, is just a brick like Ironclad, while Ironclad at least has other powers besides being strong and durable.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or Spiderman tires himself out with the leaping and the punching. It goes back to my analogy with the kid and his bigger, older brother.Even if the little kid lands 'hundreds' of punches (I've never seen Spidey have this amount of stamina, btw), it doesn't add up like you think it does. He tanked 15 ground pound punches from a pissed off Herc. Four punches from a Voiding out Sentry. You are equating Spidey's cumulative 'hundreds' of punches with punches of that magnitude. When in fact as time goes on, he will be tiring, and he won't be punching with the same force as before.
Can he punch Ares? Of course. Will it actually KO him? Considering what he has stood up to in the past (multiple times), no. And as time goes on, Spidey will tire, he will slow, and then, it's over.
Except for the idea that Spiderman has actually hurt guys as strong as Ares. Spiderman is clearly above what the handbooks have given him in strength. Heck keeping a building as large as he held up clearly makes him a class 100.
Spidey does a lot of work with the momentum and agility he has at his disposal.
When he's putting his entire speed into it and building up momentum by swinging, he'll generally hit a lot harder than he would be capable of when standing still.
I don't think Spidey is that much faster than Ares though, and I don't think he'll do much damage with his punches.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Spidey does a lot of work with the momentum and agility he has at his disposal.When he's putting his entire speed into it and building up momentum by swinging, he'll generally hit a lot harder than he would be capable of when standing still.
I don't think Spidey is that much faster than Ares though, and I don't think he'll do much damage with his punches.
Spiderman is actually slower than Ares logically. But he can cut corners due to his tactile traction, and precognitive powers. He can literally telegraph, and correct himself when his messes up. Ares can't.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except for the idea that Spiderman has actually hurt guys as strong as Ares. Spiderman is clearly above what the handbooks have given him in strength. Heck keeping a building as large as he held up clearly makes him a class 100.
So IOW, Spidey>Hercules, Skaar, Abom and Sentry in terms of punching strength? Ten of his punches > 1 of theirs, that kinda thing?
THAT is the implication.
And how many Spidey punches = 1 Herc?
Originally posted by Stoic
No it isn't the same. Ares isn't the Flash. Nor would it be PIS for him to hit Ares, and be gone before Ares attempted to hit him back. Spidey could literally stand on Ares head and stomp him repeatedly and evade time and again based on past feats. It's not jobbing when it keeps happening. What I love is when people only take a couple of attributes like strength, and durability and make it seem like other powers don't matter. This is Ares, not Superman. Ares, is just a brick like Ironclad, while Ironclad at least has other powers besides being strong and durable.
Point
Your head.