Originally posted by JayDaDonThe only notable one I can think of is Osborn, maybe Octopus and Lizard and Lizard really doesn't compare to guys like Riddler. The average Batman rogue is smarter than the average Spiderman rogue, Also Spiderman rarely beats these guys in a battle of wits, it's mostly him beating the crap out of his opponents.
Bruce has quite a few geniuses, but Pete's is stacked with insane power and also quite a few geniuses too.
Of course Batman beats the crap out of his opponents to but it's usually after matching and beating them in a battle of wits.
Originally posted by RezacticThat is probably because most of Spider villains aren't looking to defeat him in a battle of wits, they just want to kill him. I'd say Octopus is not a maybe, the guy's a genius only few humans surpass.
The only notable one I can think of is Osborn, maybe Octopus and Lizard and Lizard really doesn't compare to guys like Riddler. The average Batman rogue is smarter than the average Spiderman rogue, Also Spiderman rarely beats these guys in a battle of wits, it's mostly him beating the crap out of his opponents.Of course Batman beats the crap out of his opponents to but it's usually after matching and beating them in a battle of wits.
I am looking at this, as OP used the example of the webshooters, in terms of their tech smarts, NOT tactics or how many languages they speak or how many degrees they hold.
Purely tech.
Batman rarely invents his own stuff. Look at his Year One outfit, and contrast that with Spidey's Year One (as it were). Only later, when he started nicking stuff from WayneTech etc, did he get a jump in his suits.
He had the ultrasonics in his heel, and tranq darts, and that was it, IIRC. That doesn't look like much considering Parker took an old transistor radio apart and turned them into webshooters, then invented a whole new material from scratch....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am looking at this, as OP used the example of the webshooters, in terms of their tech smarts, NOT tactics or how many languages they speak or how many degrees they hold.Purely tech.
Batman rarely invents his own stuff. Look at his Year One outfit, and contrast that with Spidey's Year One (as it were). Only later, when he started nicking stuff from WayneTech etc, did he get a jump in his suits.
He had the ultrasonics in his heel, and tranq darts, and that was it, IIRC. That doesn't look like much considering Parker took an old transistor radio apart and turned them into webshooters, then invented a whole new material from scratch....
Originally posted by Rezactic
The only notable one I can think of is Osborn, maybe Octopus and Lizard and Lizard really doesn't compare to guys like Riddler. The average Batman rogue is smarter than the average Spiderman rogue, Also Spiderman rarely beats these guys in a battle of wits, it's mostly him beating the crap out of his opponents.Of course Batman beats the crap out of his opponents to but it's usually after matching and beating them in a battle of wits.
There's also the Jackal. Mega genius. Not as big league but tinkerer. Spidey was the lone force stopping Doc ock from the domination of NYC, then the domination of the WORLD. Lol Doc Ock is in the big league of villains. Not quite doom, but then again, none of bats rogues are quite doom either.
Btw in defending NY, Peter beat Ock in a direct battle of wits.
Originally posted by riv6672
I realized this had gone off topic but honestly, no one listens in these threads when its easier just not to.
Its still interesting reading for me.
But you nailed what i was getting at quite well just now.
That may've been what you were getting at riv but the question you asked was still technically a general one. Not specifically related to science/invention. You asked who was smarter. Having an in-depth knowledge of science is not the only measure of a person's intelligence. Not even close.
Just because you gave an example of Peter doing something impressive related to science/invention as proof of his intelligence doesn't mean people should just automatically know that the question you really wanted answered was "Who is the smarter scientist/inventor?". That's the question you should've asked it seems. I was "listening" just fine to what you said.
Originally posted by SamZEDAnd because they aren't smart enough. Octopus is a specialized genius, he excels in one field, there are plenty that surpass him in overall intelligence. It'd be much harder to face someone like Riddler or Joker in a battle of wits than Octopus
That is probably because most of Spider villains aren't looking to defeat him in a battle of wits, they just want to kill him. I'd say Octopus is not a maybe, the guy's a genius only few humans surpass.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Common misconception, Waynetech didn't create any of his notable suits. Insider, Hellbat, Justice Buster, the drones he's been using in the New 52, the suit he made that can hide from all of Superman's visions and senses, and other stuff like Brother Eye were all his own design. The only thing Waynetech was good for is bankrolling it.
I am looking at this, as OP used the example of the webshooters, in terms of their tech smarts, NOT tactics or how many languages they speak or how many degrees they hold.Purely tech.
Batman rarely invents his own stuff. Look at his Year One outfit, and contrast that with Spidey's Year One (as it were). Only later, when he started nicking stuff from WayneTech etc, did he get a jump in his suits.
He had the ultrasonics in his heel, and tranq darts, and that was it, IIRC. That doesn't look like much considering Parker took an old transistor radio apart and turned them into webshooters, then invented a whole new material from scratch....
Originally posted by RezacticOnly because he doesn't apply his genius specifically in doing battles of wits. Not his method. Stopping him however can be much harder than either one of the two. He excels in more than one field. Outside of top dogs like Doom (who frankly is just on a whole different level compared to anyone mentioned in this thread) Ock is easily among the smartest villains on Marvel Earth given his more recent appearances.
And because they aren't smart enough. Octopus is a specialized genius, he excels in one field, there are plenty that surpass him in overall intelligence. It'd be much harder to face someone like Riddler or Joker in a battle of wits than Octopus
it really depends on what continuity you're looking at, earlier Batman stories have him creating all his stuff from scratch, even later on when he'd lift stuff from WayneTech, he always made custom modifications on it so you can certainly count that as invention but besides all that he's always got a new gadget, like in JLA new world order where he's got a heart beast suppressor to hide from Superman or in Tower of Babel, he invented all the weapons used against the JLA
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I already stated that he uses Waynetech to bankroll it, your statement was that Batman rarely invents his own tech, that is false. Unless you're trying to suggest that Waynetech scientist and engineers had a hand in creating tech like the Brother Eye and the Justice Buster...would be kind of hard for Bruce to maintain his identity when his own employees are asking why their building a multi billion dollar suit designed to KO Superman or why their building an AI to spy on everyone...Oh sure...there's no way he can be Batman 🙄
So Waynetech had zero input? That is to say, he didn't use ANY components or materials from Waynetech?Then what did he need the money for? To pay himself a wage?
Originally posted by SamZEDAnd yet he wasn't on Intellegica top 8 getting beaten out by Black Panther, Beast and Amadeus Cho...yeah no...Ock needs a lot more feats or at least better feats for him to comparable to other geniuses.
Only because he doesn't apply his genius specifically in doing battles of wits. Not his method. Stopping him however can be much harder than either one of the two. He excels in more than one field. Outside of top dogs like Doom (who frankly is just on a whole different level compared to anyone mentioned in this thread) Ock is easily among the smartest villains on Marvel Earth given his more recent appearances.
Originally posted by Rezactic
I already stated that he uses Waynetech to bankroll it, your statement was that Batman rarely invents his own tech, that is false. Unless you're trying to suggest that Waynetech scientist and engineers had a hand in creating tech like the Brother Eye and the Justice Buster...would be kind of hard for Bruce to maintain his identity when his own employees are asking why their building a multi billion dollar suit designed to KO Superman or why their building an AI to spy on everyone...Oh sure...there's no way he can be Batman 🙄
So what's the money for? If he's just creating it in the cave?