Originally posted by Rezactic
And yet he wasn't on Intellegica top 8 getting beaten out by Black Panther, Beast and Amadeus Cho...yeah no...Ock needs a lot more feats or at least better feats for him to comparable to other geniuses.
And yet Otto chumped one of the top 5 in Tony Stark. Once solo and once with the avengers to nearly take over the world.
Originally posted by JayDaDonSo what? Hank Pym has embarrassed Reed before, doesn't make him smarter. Banner and T'Challa have both one up'd Doom before, doesn't make them smarter
And yet Otto chumped one of the top 5 in Tony Stark. Once solo and once with the avengers to nearly take over the world.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Materials, equipment.
So what's the money for? If he's just creating it in the cave?
from the DC database:
Genius Level Intellect: Batman is a brilliant, virtually peerless, detective, strategist, scientist, tactician, and commander; he is widely regarded as one of the keenest analytical minds on the planet. Given his lack of superpowers, he often uses cunning and planning to outwit his foes, rather than simply "out-fighting" them.
Polymath: He has studied Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography and History.[citation needed] Gained degrees in Criminal Science, Forensic Sciences, Computer Sciences, Chemistry and Engineering by the time he was 21.[citation needed] He has mastered Diverse Environmental Training, Security Systems, and illusion/sleight of hand by the time he was 23.[citation needed] He gained even more degrees in Biology, Physics, Advanced Chemistry, and Technology by the time he was 25.[citation needed] He had learned Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences,[original research?] and Expanded Device Pool use of personal powered armor and system, database creation on underworld crime bosses, rogue's gallery foes and other supervillains; improved material sciences for body armor and micro-machinery by the time he was 26.[citation needed] Has also learned Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Sciences.[citation needed]
Eidetic Memory: Batman has total recall and can remember anything in great detail.
compare to Spidey:
Genius-Level Intellect: Academically gifted, Peter displays an uncanny affinity for science that is nothing short of genius. According to Parker his IQ is north of 250.[127] Some of the Earth's most brilliant minds such as Reed Richards and Hank Pym[128] have acknowledged Peter's intellect.
Science Major: He is a brilliant individual, with exceptional skill in practically every field of science, with expertise in applied science, chemistry, physics, biology, engineering, and mechanics.[129] He is an accomplished chemist and physicist.[130]
based on these entries alone id say Batman has the edge
Originally posted by Rezactic
So what? Hank Pym has embarrassed Reed before, doesn't make him smarter. Banner and T'Challa have both one up'd Doom before, doesn't make them smarterMaterials, equipment.
All the people you mentioned are in the top 10 smartest people on Earth of course they one up eachother. They're all major league geniuses. That's the same reason Otto punked Stark.
Originally posted by JayDaDonOtto isn't, having a high end feat of punking Stark doesn't put him in that echelon I'm afraid. He needs ALOT more than that.
All the people you mentioned are in the top 10 smartest people on Earth of course they one up eachother. They're all major league geniuses. That's the same reason Otto punked Stark.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
There's also the Jackal. Mega genius. Not as big league but tinkerer. Spidey was the lone force stopping Doc ock from the domination of NYC, then the domination of the WORLD. Lol Doc Ock is in the big league of villains. Not quite doom, but then again, none of bats rogues are quite doom either.Btw in defending NY, Peter beat Ock in a direct battle of wits.
Prometheus basically craps on any spiderman villain in terms of tech. He's smarter than Bruce in tech feats.
Originally posted by relentless1
from the DC database:Genius Level Intellect: Batman is a brilliant, virtually peerless, detective, strategist, scientist, tactician, and commander; he is widely regarded as one of the keenest analytical minds on the planet. Given his lack of superpowers, he often uses cunning and planning to outwit his foes, rather than simply "out-fighting" them.
Polymath: He has studied Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography and History.[citation needed] Gained degrees in Criminal Science, Forensic Sciences, Computer Sciences, Chemistry and Engineering by the time he was 21.[citation needed] He has mastered Diverse Environmental Training, Security Systems, and illusion/sleight of hand by the time he was 23.[citation needed] He gained even more degrees in Biology, Physics, Advanced Chemistry, and Technology by the time he was 25.[citation needed] He had learned Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences,[original research?] and Expanded Device Pool use of personal powered armor and system, database creation on underworld crime bosses, rogue's gallery foes and other supervillains; improved material sciences for body armor and micro-machinery by the time he was 26.[citation needed] Has also learned Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Sciences.[citation needed]
Eidetic Memory: Batman has total recall and can remember anything in great detail.
compare to Spidey:
Genius-Level Intellect: Academically gifted, Peter displays an uncanny affinity for science that is nothing short of genius. According to Parker his IQ is north of 250.[127] Some of the Earth's most brilliant minds such as Reed Richards and Hank Pym[128] have acknowledged Peter's intellect.
Science Major: He is a brilliant individual, with exceptional skill in practically every field of science, with expertise in applied science, chemistry, physics, biology, engineering, and mechanics.[129] He is an accomplished chemist and physicist.[130]
based on these entries alone id say Batman has the edge
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, Marvel has a majority of comics' greatest minds, so Peter's standing there is dependent on that. He's in the tougher division.
To paraphrase Daniel Tosh, Batman's the Patriots. Easy for him to make it to the play offs when he's got the Dolphins, the Bills, and the Jets to contend with....
I do love how Spiderman's entry has references and citations that are linked to actual comics....
And Batman's sounds like the dribblings of a rabid fanboy.
Originally posted by RezacticI said villains. All the characters you've mentioned are heroes. Also irrelevant. We go by feats. And his feats speak for him. He's outwitted Tony Stark twice. Humiliated MODOK in a direct battle of intellects. At one point Reed Richards himself went to Otto because he needed his expertise. In a later story Otto outwitted Richards. Took Ock seconds to hack into SHIELD defense systems developed by Stark himself. He could have basically crashed the SHIELD helicarrier into Avengers tower using nothing but his wrist computer if he was so inclined. He's created weapons capable of frying the entire planet and basically invited world's heroes to try and stop him. The Avengers, The FF, both Reed and Tony were unable to even trace his location, let alone defuse his weapon. He bested all of them and only his CIS prevented him from destroying the Earth. Took him under 10 minutes to come up with tech that nearly killed Hyperion (who only survived because Otto wanted him to). He took down the Avengers with his prep. So he has plenty of feats. Pretty insane ones. What has Riddler done that can compare? Or Joker for that matter? Excluding plot driven feats (like obtaining Mxy's powers) I can only think of one comparable prep feat - "the last laugh" story line and even then it basically came down to other villains' super powers.
And yet he wasn't on Intellegica top 8 getting beaten out by Black Panther, Beast and Amadeus Cho...yeah no...Ock needs a lot more feats or at least better feats for him to comparable to other geniuses.
Originally posted by Rezactic
Otto isn't, having a high end feat of punking Stark doesn't put him in that echelon I'm afraid. He needs ALOT more than that.
Punking Stark, The Avengers with his plans and going on to world domination with only Spidey being in his way to stop him puts him in the big leagues of geniuses. You say he needs ALOT more huh, name 5 things Beast did that were more impressive than that to land him in the top 8 geniuses of marvel.
Originally posted by SamZED
I said villains. All the characters you've mentioned are heroes. Also irrelevant. We go by feats. And his feats speak for him. He's outwitted Tony Stark twice. Humiliated MODOK in a direct battle of intellects. At one point Reed Richards himself went to Otto because he needed his expertise. In a later story Otto outwitted Richards. Took Ock seconds to hack into SHIELD defense systems developed by Stark himself. He could have basically crashed the SHIELD helicarrier into Avengers tower using nothing but his wrist computer if he was so inclined. He's created weapons capable of frying the entire planet and basically invited world's heroes to try and stop him. The Avengers, The FF, both Reed and Tony were unable to even trace his location, let alone defuse his weapon. He bested all of them and only his CIS prevented him from destroying the Earth. Took him under 10 minutes to come up with tech that nearly killed Hyperion (who only survived because Otto wanted him to). He took down the Avengers with his prep. So he has plenty of feats. Pretty insane ones. What has Riddler done that can compare? Or Joker for that matter? Excluding plot driven feats (like obtaining Mxy's powers) I can only think of one comparable prep feat - "the last laugh" story line and even then it basically came down to other villains' super powers.
^^^This. Lol @ Spidey not having genius villainry to contend with.