North Korea

Originally posted by jaden101
Actually yes I do. Given that the US has a very recent history (2 days ago) history of abandoning 'key allies'(in this case, Yemen) in deteriorating security situations. There's no stomach for war in the US at the moment.

There's no political fallout from withdrawing from Yemen. Withdrawing from Korea would mean the end of all American foreign policy credibility. NATO and all other American alliances would be rendered meaningless.

I'm afraid it's you that clearly has no clue what you're talking about. It's like you're living in some cold war time warp. Completely oblivious to everything that's happened in the last 30 years. US troops in North Korea was never about North Korea. It was about their communist sponsors The USSR and China. America doesn't give a **** if Korea goes to war in isolation. Apparently it also no longer gives a **** about Russian expansionism either if Ukraine and Georgia are any indicators. And it certainly would no longer act against China now that their economies are so intertwined.

Do you have no idea how to contextualise these things to the modern world? Do you take diplomacy and how it's reported at face value?

As for no political fallout from Yemen. Only in that it'll gather so little coverage that it won't be politically damaging from an electoral POV. The fact that the US so readily abandons allies in the war against Islamic extremism and in the process leaves half a billion dollars of US weapons to fall into enemy hands to be used against other US allies in the region might just cause a bit of political fallout.

Originally posted by jaden101
I'm afraid it's you that clearly has no clue what you're talking about. It's like you're living in some cold war time warp. Completely oblivious to everything that's happened in the last 30 years. US troops in North Korea was never about North Korea. It was about their communist sponsors The USSR and China. America doesn't give a **** if Korea goes to war in isolation. Apparently it also no longer gives a **** about Russian expansionism either if Ukraine and Georgia are any indicators. And it certainly would no longer act against China now that their economies are so intertwined.

Do you have no idea how to contextualise these things to the modern world? Do you take diplomacy and how it's reported at face value?

As for no political fallout from Yemen. Only in that it'll gather so little coverage that it won't be politically damaging from an electoral POV. The fact that the US so readily abandons allies in the war against Islamic extremism and in the process leaves half a billion dollars of US weapons to fall into enemy hands to be used against other US allies in the region might just cause a bit of political fallout.

Again, how the hell do you propose America would avoid a fight if North Korea and South Korea went to war? You think America could withdraw thirty thousand people scattered around the country within a day? Within six hours? You think America would just cut their losses if a few hundred of those troops were killed or wounded, as would be bound to happen in the event of a full scale North Korean assault?

like OV says I think more countries than just America would get involved if there breaks out another war between NK and SK.

I have no idea what Jaden envisions happening, but it sounds like he thinks that 30,000 Americans are in Korea just for show. Or that withdrawing 150 Americans from a third world failed state like Yemen means America would withdraw those 30,000 Americans from a first world major ally. Or that not helping Ukraine militarily, a nation that we have no real security pact with, means we wouldn't support an ally we have an actual security pact with.

What part are you not getting? The part where I clearly explained why there won't be a war between North and South Korea or the part where I showed how much form the US has for withdrawing troops when it gets a bloody nose from supposedly inferior enemies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Somalia, Libya)and abandoning allies

Yes. The US has a large military presence in Korea. It also has a huge presence in the south Pacific in case Japan kicks off again. It also still has bases in Germany in case they kick off again. Same with Italy. It has bases in lots of places that if the security situation gets bad enough they'll simply withdraw to somewhere else. Their Korean bases have far more to do with China than they do with protecting South Korea and given that the US economy is far more reliant on China now than South Korea....

Like I said. The far more likely scenario is that the US attacks North Korea. Although even this is still highly unlikely given that North Korea doesn't have anything worth attacking them under false pretences of national security for.

I should note that I want to see what comes from this 'year of friendship' between Russia and North Korea. Most likely nothing though. Other than winding up the US