"Bad Ammo"

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your site somehow has more validity than one that's been debunking false stories for years?

So you want it because you want it. At least you're honest.

People drink and do drugs and smoke cigaretts because they want too. Those kill hundreds of thousands a year. But its ok because thats what people want to do. Drugs and alcohol break families apart, hell the first two letters of AT is from those substances. Its harder and harder to get guns these days especially Ar's. The people that qualify for them literally have to have clean records with no arrests, or drug charges or past criminal activity. I feel safer knowing the good guys have the guns like myself

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
People drink and do drugs and smoke cigaretts because they want too. Those kill hundreds of thousands a year. But its ok because thats what people want to do. Drugs and alcohol break families apart, hell the first two letters of AT is from those substances. Its harder and harder to get guns these days especially Ar's. The people that qualify for them literally have to have clean records with no arrests, or drug charges or past criminal activity. I feel safer knowing the good guys have the guns like myself

An accident with a glass of whiskey or a cigarette won't end my life. A gun will.

You're trying to basically justify it by saying "other dangerous stuff exists, so this should too". That's not great logic.

I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to carry assault rifles.

Pistols? Fine. Shotguns? No problem. But assault rifles? Seriously, i'm curious.

there's a reason they let you drive a car, even a hummer, but won't let you drive a tank down the highway, but people are supposed to feel safe when jimmy next door has a bunch of assault rifles and a bit of an attitude problem?

Originally posted by -Pr-
An accident with a glass of whiskey or a cigarette won't end my life. A gun will.

You're trying to basically justify it by saying "other dangerous stuff exists, so this should too". That's not great logic.

I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to carry assault rifles.

Pistols? Fine. Shotguns? No problem. But assault rifles? Seriously, i'm curious.

there's a reason they let you drive a car, even a hummer, but won't let you drive a tank down the highway, but people are supposed to feel safe when jimmy next door has a bunch of assault rifles and a bit of an attitude problem?

Nah not justifying it. I'm saying tons of things that kill you are legal and dangerous things are always around if they are legal or not.

Nah, there are more handgun related deaths then any other weapon. You don't see those getting banned. A gun is a gun.

Originally posted by -Pr-
An accident with a glass of whiskey or a cigarette won't end my life. A gun will.

glass of whiskey

cigarette

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nah not justifying it. I'm saying tons of things that kill you are legal and dangerous things are always around if they are legal or not.

Nah, there are more handgun related deaths then any other weapon. You don't see those getting banned. A gun is a gun.

So because there are bad things already, it's okay to have more bad things, not less?

You sure that's not because handguns outnumber assault rifles by such an obscene amount? And why not just ban all guns, then?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well...

Car accident

Fire.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I'm talking about accidents other people have, outside of my own home. Unless of course you mean they're gonna drive through my front wall.

The moment I read a news article of an alcoholic or a drug addict breaking into a school & forcing innocents to drink, chain smoke or OD themselves to deaths then I'll under your logic of comparing a loaded weapon to narcotics.

Time Immemorial, keep conspiracy talk out of here unless you want the thread moved to the conspiracy section.

Honestly, I don't necessarily think guns themselves should be banned. It's an American right to bear arms, and while I think it's not necessarily needed, it is part of their culture and their history.

What worries me is the problem America seems to have guns. I've lived in Canada, where people own guns. I've gone to ranges, and I will admit, it was a lot of fun. But at no point did I ever forget that I was holding a loaded weapon that could end a life with the simplest of gestures.

The perception some Americans give off is that they have some divine right, without any kind of training or care, to own a gun. Are there responsible gun owners? Of course there are. There are just so many other people that aren't. I know this and I'm an outsider, so why are so many Americans resistant to stricter gun legislation.

Obama has actually been softer in gun lobbies than his predecessors, from what I've read.

I've seen cars mentioned, but tbh, that's a horrible comparison. One, in most civilised countries, you have to own a license to own a car. How do you get a license? You have to pass an exam. A background check is NOT an exam. Add to that, yes, there are car accidents, but cars are a necessity for many people, or else they can't get to their jobs.

I know a lot of Americans would love to pretend that countries without guns are some sort of post-apocalyptic wastelands where only the strong survive, but really, we're just fine. And I'm from and live in a country that once took up arms to fight the English.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Cool. Build a collection even. Hell, assuming I settle in Canada, I may actually purchase one at some point.

I just don't get why America seems to be so different from all the other countries that have them and yet experience a fraction of the gun crime. Racism? Classism? Ignorance? Stupidity? That's a larger question anyway, and is somewhat off-topic.

I just want to know why anyone thinks it's all right to arm civilians with weapons that belong in the hands of the military. The American police are already turning themselves in to small armies; civilians having them just seems like escalation to me, and that can only end badly imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, I don't necessarily think guns themselves should be banned. It's an American right to bear arms, and while I think it's not necessarily needed, it is part of their culture and their history.

What worries me is the problem America seems to have guns. I've lived in Canada, where people own guns. I've gone to ranges, and I will admit, it was a lot of fun. But at no point did I ever forget that I was holding a loaded weapon that could end a life with the simplest of gestures.

The perception some Americans give off is that they have some divine right, without any kind of training or care, to own a gun. Are there responsible gun owners? Of course there are. There are just so many other people that aren't. I know this and I'm an outsider, so why are so many Americans resistant to stricter gun legislation.

Obama has actually been softer in gun lobbies than his predecessors, from what I've read.

I've seen cars mentioned, but tbh, that's a horrible comparison. One, in most civilised countries, you have to own a license to own a car. How do you get a license? You have to pass an exam. A background check is NOT an exam. Add to that, yes, there are car accidents, but cars are a necessity for many people, or else they can't get to their jobs.

I know a lot of Americans would love to pretend that countries without guns are some sort of post-apocalyptic wastelands where only the strong survive, but really, we're just fine. And I'm from and live in a country that once took up arms to fight the English.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Cool. Build a collection even. Hell, assuming I settle in Canada, I may actually purchase one at some point.

I just don't get why America seems to be so different from all the other countries that have them and yet experience a fraction of the gun crime. Racism? Classism? Ignorance? Stupidity? That's a larger question anyway, and is somewhat off-topic.

I just want to know why anyone thinks it's all right to arm civilians with weapons that belong in the hands of the military. The American police are already turning themselves in to small armies; civilians having them just seems like escalation to me, and that can only end badly imo.

Like I was saying earlier handguns kill thousands of people a year and are the #1 weapon used in crime. Why ban Ar-15 on the premise that they can pierce police soft body armor? Not one cop has been killed by an AR-15. If you were going to ban something on premise, sounds like the gun doing all the killing should be banned.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Like I was saying earlier handguns kill thousands of people a year and are the #1 weapon used in crime. Why ban Ar-15 on the premise that they can pierce police soft body armor? Not one cop has been killed by an AR-15. If you were going to ban something on premise, sounds like the gun doing all the killing should be banned.

Except that it being able to pierce body armour is a valid reason to have it banned. Why is it not? I'm honestly asking.

And like someone already said, mass shootings are much more easy to do with an assault rifle than a pistol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that it being able to pierce body armour is a valid reason to have it banned. Why is it not? I'm honestly asking.

And like someone already said, mass shootings are much more easy to do with an assault rifle than a pistol.

You can make many other rounds and many round and calibers in production fast enough pierce body armor. Literally targeting Ar-15 is just backlash because this administration could not get the rifle banned.

Mass shootings with Ar-15 literally never happen compared to handgun shootings. Thousands of people die a year from handgun deaths. Less then 20 have died from an Ar in decades..one of the reasons is its a lot harder to get an Ar-15 then a handgun. Much more extensive background check.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You can make many other rounds and many round and calibers in production fast enough pierce body armor. Literally targeting Ar-15 is just backlash because this administration could not get the rifle banned.

Mass shootings with Ar-15 literally never happen compared to handgun shootings. Thousands of people die a year from handgun deaths. Less then 20 have died from an Ar in decades..one of the reasons is its a lot harder to get an Ar-15 then a handgun. Much more extensive background check.

How can you be so sure that's the reason? Why couldn't they get the rifle banned?

And again, how does that make it okay not to ban bullets that can pierce armour? Surely they should be trying to have less of them out there any way they can?

If that's true, then would you be fine with them banning all guns except for assault rifles that require extensive background checks?

Originally posted by Robtard
My fist are like granite, my elbows like pick-hammers, brah

But if I felt insecure, a handgun or even a shotgun for the home are a far more sensible alternate to an assault rifle

For some reason, you have a higher risk of getting arrested on your own if you defend yourself unarmed then with a gun. At least where I live, maybe its different where you live.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
For some reason, you have a higher risk of getting arrested on your own if you defend yourself unarmed then with a gun. At least where I live, maybe its different where you live.

I'm in California, the most sensible of states

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm in California, the most sensible of states

At least we agree on one thing, however that chip up your ass prevents you to be sensible about majority of other things.

Such as?

Your fashion sense, for one.

*finger snap*

Do you want me to shove that fedora up your hipster ass again? Looks like it.

I have purposely avoided this thread on purpose because when people start questioning our American right to bear arms or even go as far to say that guns should be banned it tends to upset me. I listed in the other thread that was closed why it's important for our second amendment right to bear arms to always be protected. I'm not going to list all of them again except for the one regarding an out-of-control government.

As I said before I would rather die fighting than become a slave to the state. I'm a firm believer in the motto: Live free or die. Without freedom, life is not worth living. For people who are too blind to see that our government is becoming more and more like a police state while at the same time an increasing number of our rights are being chipped away at or those who are living in la la land and believe all the lies that our economy is actually soaring as opposed to being on the brink of a collapse here are a few eye openers for them:

Here are some articles detailing the highly suspicious death of David Crowley and his family. The second link has a two-minute preview trailer of the highly controversial film he was about to finish before he supposedly "killed his family and then himself" (if your naïve enough to believe that).

http://www.naturalnews.com/048345_Grey_State_martial_law_murder-suicide.html

http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/gray-state-suicide/

I have heard the police tape on another article of the cops arrival at the scene and heard them say that the sliding door was left slightly open. Cops reported that this so-called murder-suicide was "highly suspicious". I'm not buying the murder-suicide claim. Seemed to me like a professional half-assed hit job ordered by someone that didn't want him to complete his eye-opening film.

If the dollar ever loses it's status as the world's reserve currency then you can bet our economy will collapse soon after and if that happens then the things that happened in that movie would become a nightmare reality for America. Then, it will not only be the government we'd have to worry about but each other as well. People will be fighting over simple things that we've always taken for granted. Like food and water. Blood will be shed constantly in cities across the nation and in that nightmare scenario guns will be needed to protect yourself and your family.

For the people who don't think we are on the edge of a financial collapse:

http://pro.moneymappress.com/MMRBS495slt/LMMRR334/?h=true

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally posted by Star428
I have purposely avoided this thread on purpose because when people start questioning our American right to bear arms or even go as far to say that guns should be banned it tends to upset me.

Indulge me with your thoughts for a moment, please.

"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms", do you feel that gives you the right to bear any armament you might fancy? If not, where and how do you draw the line in what type of weapon is a constitutionally given right and what is not?