I wasn't going to post anything but TI is doing a horrible job of arguing against the anti-gun people in this thread.
Originally posted by -Pr-
An accident with a glass of whiskey or a cigarette won't end my life. A gun will.
What? **** no, that's wrong. More people die each year from alcohol than firearms.
88,000 people die from alcohol related deaths.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
8,896 gun homicides in 2012.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/8902
Conclusion based on your logic: alcohol should be made illegal and gun laws should be relaxed until the numbers reach parity (if at all possible...which it is not).
And, yes, cigarettes will kill you. That's an absurd argument to make. INB4 "that wasn't my point it was that an inaminate object, bla bla bla." I know, I know.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're trying to basically justify it by saying "other dangerous stuff exists, so this should too". That's not great logic.
It's not just great logic, is THE logic that these policies should be based on (because it either shows how slippery slope the argument is or shows why one side or the other is being treated unfairly). If alcohol, which definitely kills far more people each year, is legal with the idea that "adults should drink responsibly", then guns should be legal with the idea that "adults should use them responsibly."
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to carry assault rifles.
Take your sentence and plug in many different things into and see how it looks:
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to drive cars."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to use tobacco products."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to play sports."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to eat unhealthy foods."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to be commercial fishers."
Just because you don't want to do it does not mean others should not get to do those things. Owning and shooting a gun has the same common sense requirements as drinking: adults should do it responsibly. With guns, at least, kids can safely fire them under careful adult supervision...unlike alcohol and other drugs.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Pistols? Fine. Shotguns? No problem. But assault rifles? Seriously, i'm curious.
I see your question as being a problem, in and of itself. It incorrectly places Assault Rifles on a very high shelf of "scary" and "dangerous" that is very silly. All firearms (that fire slugs) are overtly and lethally dangerous. Saying that Assault Rifles must get a magical consideration when handguns shouldn't is eye-rollingly silly.
Target shooting, skeet shooting, hunting, bla bla bla. Why do you care so much about what responsible adults are doing for hobbies? Let's be serious: is it really any of your business? The answer to that question is emphatically "no." It is not open for interpretation. So you're afraid of someone going on a killing spree with an assault rifle, eh? Well, killing someone with any gun is illegal. So why does it matter?
Do you think making assault rifles illegal is going to magically make killing sprees stop? "No, but it will make killing people a lot more difficult."
Cool. Let's pretend your rhetoric and people with rhetoric like yours gets their way. Now we've invested all this time into trying to prevent 8000-9000 annual deaths just because you are afraid of guns. Don't you think we could have spent our time and money on others things and prevented many more deaths?
A smart/educated person would argue against my point with the following: "You're creating a false dichotomy. It is not 'either this or that.' We can do both." Then I just direct you back to the other points: if you want to restrict gun access to not really prevent 8000-ish deaths (because you won't really prevent much with extremely strict gun laws: fact...it is not a gun control issue, it is a cultural and poverty issue), then why are you not restricting alcohol to prevent the 88,000-ish deaths? Assault rifles make up a disproportionately smaller percentage of deaths compared to other firearms (meaning, per capita, those gun deaths are not as likely from assault rifles as they are handguns).
Edit - INB4 "dadudemon mad, bro". A strong argument does not mean a person is "mad bro." It's just a strong argument.
I gave up trying to talk to these hippies and flower children.
The word liberal means "be more liberal"
However if you talk to a liberal long enough they start trying to tell you what to eat, drink, drive, wear, and the word liberty turns to slaverly.
Liberalism is the exact opposite of freedom.
Rob and most of the people here like living under the thumb of big brother and mother.
They are all sheep who just can't think of act without the government telling them what to do.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need."
Aka weak minded people who rely on others to provide for them.
Do you have a better way of achieving "equal opportunity and equality for all" in a society such as ours? If yes, how so?
You currently rely on the government to protect your "civil liberties and individual and human rights". If you disagree, please explain how you do so on your own.
Did you get that quote from the "I Hate Liberals" Facebook page?
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you have a better way of achieving "equal opportunity and equality for all" in a society such as ours? If yes, how so?You currently rely on the government to protect your "civil liberties and individual and human rights". If you disagree, please explain how you do so on your own.
Did you get that quote from the "I Hate Liberals" Facebook page?
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=liberal
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=liberal
Well sure, avoid what I asked and post a a search link that doesn't directly lead to the source of your quote.