World War Doomsday

Started by abhilegend12 pages

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That wound was nowhere near basketball sized holes through the chest though. It's possible a "normal" comic book character could have still fought with that assuming it didn't go too far past the ribs without healing. Which comparing them for scale it probably wouldn't have.
Hulk probably shouldn't have healed from that either but he did so I can't take that away. Still though healing from huge ass holes blown straight through you >>>>>> healing from a cut that might have went past the ribs on a normal human.

I don't know. Strange blasted a hole through him on his second attack with really no windup. Even if he isn't as powerful Strange was spamming endless attacks from all angles. I highly doubt even DD is going to take that without severe damage. Plus I doubt the OB would just blast through that Hulk like that but that's neither here nor there.
Really besides humanity, the only really Strange lost was because he didn't aim for the head. Even if he doesn't though DD will be in serious trouble. But that's really a tossup due to glass jawitis. Even DOS has the chance to beat that Strange. But my word does he hit like a truck.

But that's the thing, doomsday doesn't has any internal organs which can be damaged for a ko. Unless strange can totally destroy his body, he wouldn't be able to put him down. At best he can stun him for some moments like omegas did. And in that arc, omegas evaporated missiles superman couldn't even dent while weakened and burned him while not even hitting him. That's some beastly power. DD got suckershotted, got up and pushed Darkseid's shit in.

It's been a lot of years but I thought he died. Meh. DD getting slept was one of the biggest things I remember.

OK.


Superman like punched him twice in that fight. Rammed him in the planet and blasted him with hv. That's 4 attacks if you count the continuous HV. And DD was already pretty visibly damaged after the planet ram. Then he was almost slagged by HV. Then when he came back he got ripped in half. All this while Superman was being hurt by his aura and the punches didn't even factor into damage.
Superman was playing at a different level in that comic.
Plus WW put him on his knees from a sword and then was all like "poison!"
Driving a sword through him which can split Atom's is a low durability feat now? Whaddya know?

There is no way he is anywhere near Superman's durability. Strength yes. His durability was not. That tornado of fire is going to heavily damage DD and then he's going to become a Twix.
Except the fact that narration explicitly stated that doomsday was superman level strength and durability. And then he was getting even more powerful as explained by Lex. You are using circular logic here.

Because NK Doomsday was actually taking on a real team for once in comics instead of everyone splitting up to attack him one on one. And was doing fairly well. What was it like 12 Kryptonians and the odd Superman/Supergirl attack? And he was constantly getting attacked by many of them at once and still managed to knock a couple around. In a fairly long fight too.
The last DD that tried that got single paged by two Supermans.

Even though he was brought in specifically to lose in one fight he showed a fukton of strength and durability. He's been my highest rated DD ever since by far. I'd give him a good shot to beat HP DD to death in a page.

It was actually two dozen kryptonians. Curiously superman straight up caught his punch.

Originally posted by carver9
What's NU Doomsday best durability ft and let's not pretend Diana didn't hurt him because she did.

By a sword. In h2h he broke her hands in one punch after taking her attacks like nothing.

True. She's said afterwards that she underestimated him and had no problem handling him the second time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's the thing, doomsday doesn't has any internal organs which can be damaged for a ko. Unless strange can totally destroy his body, he wouldn't be able to put him down. At best he can stun him for some moments like omegas did. And in that arc, omegas evaporated missiles superman couldn't even dent while weakened and burned him while not even hitting him. That's some beastly power. DD got suckershotted, got up and pushed Darkseid's shit in. OK.

Superman was playing at a different level in that comic. Driving a sword through him which can split Atom's is a low durability feat now? Whaddya know? Except the fact that narration explicitly stated that doomsday was superman level strength and durability. And then he was getting even more powerful as explained by Lex. You are using circular logic here. It was actually two dozen kryptonians. Curiously superman straight up caught his punch.

Except when Doomsday straight up gets beaten to death before and after that fight. Just because he doesn't have organs doesn't mean he doesn't need a body to not get knocked out incapacitated or killed. I'd kind of need proof that Doomsday can just fight with massive holes in his body when he's shown pain from having his limbs snapped off or damage. You can't just claim something like that. Evidence.
Hell the guy got killed by Radiant just blasting energy spikes through him when only one hit his head. When his body was seemingly all together.

And Superman used hv on rockets built to withstand reentry. I think he punched it once too while getting moved backwards. That's not everything he can do, hell that's not even the bright thing to do. And Superman became just as powerful or more powerful than Darkseid as we saw. You get Darkseid out doing even OWAW Superman to that degree and you got a real showing. I feel pretty safe in saying WWH would be percieved that far above that Superman too.
Also DD got suckershotted and then got up and pretty much suckershotted Darkseid. As we saw Strange was pretty relentless with his attacks. Even if he wasn't equal to one OE, he was landing many many attacks on a turtling Hulk. The only reason it stopped was because of humans. The equivalent would have been Darkseid spamming them at DD when he was down and not just one more to melt rubble.

A different level sure. Do you personally believe he would have damaged himself that bad from a planet ram and almost melted himself with HV? That he could then tear himself in half? And that's just an average Superman.
This "Superman" in Doomsday appeared even stronger than Superman or at the very least his equal. So it would flow into:
Do you think Superman operating at a different level could almost kill Superman operating at a different level with HV, damage himself with a planet ram, and tear himself in half?

And I'm not saying it's a low showing. You said he shrugged off all her attacks.

Also where did it say he was as durable as Superman, not that it matters since anyone who's as strong as Superman is immediately discounted... coughmartianmanhunter
If it says endurance I swear to God I shouldn't have to say that doesn't mean durability.

Superman got floored when he tried to catch his punch. And then Doomsday ran over to attack him.
Still, no shame there. Even if he caught that punch it would just be impressive on Superman's part. DD was still comfortably above any one or three of them together. 2 dozen is pretty crazy though.

Anyway, New Krypton DD would comfortably lay a beating on Zom Strange no matter what happened.

But he's probably the biggest hump for any of these guys as he can possibly win all the fights (and lose as well). NuDC might even have the best chance due to poison. But I doubt he'd want to get in range.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Except when Doomsday straight up gets beaten to death before and after that fight. Just because he doesn't have organs doesn't mean he doesn't need a body to not get knocked out incapacitated or killed. I'd kind of need proof that Doomsday can just fight with massive holes in his body when he's shown pain from having his limbs snapped off or damage. You can't just claim something like that. Evidence.
Hell the guy got killed by Radiant just blasting energy spikes through him when only one hit his head. When his body was seemingly all together.
That was evidently just for HP. Every other doomsday after Imperiex killed him is just a clone. So you can't take him getting beaten after OWAW as a proof of how he would fare against strange here.

And Superman used hv on rockets built to withstand reentry.
Come on bran, we both know Jurgens writes his characters low in those kind and furious feats. That's not an indication of how powerful the attacks from Superman were.
I think he punched it once too while getting moved backwards. That's not everything he can do, hell that's not even the bright thing to do. And Superman became just as powerful or more powerful than Darkseid as we saw.
That doesn't mean that Superman was weak. Heck, some of his best combat feats come from that Era.
You get Darkseid out doing even OWAW Superman to that degree and you got a real showing. I feel pretty safe in saying WWH would be percieved that far above that Superman too.
I don't think so. Jurgen said his superman would beat hulk in seconds and would beat silver surfer 99 times out of 100. He has a very high opinion of superman.

Also DD got suckershotted and then got up and pretty much suckershotted Darkseid. As we saw Strange was pretty relentless with his attacks. Even if he wasn't equal to one OE, he was landing many many attacks on a turtling Hulk. The only reason it stopped was because of humans. The equivalent would have been Darkseid spamming them at DD when he was down and not just one more to melt rubble.[quote] Strange is no Darkseid though. Add in his speed and I don't like strange's chances here.

A different level sure. Do you personally believe he would have damaged himself that bad from a planet ram and almost melted himself with HV?[/quote] Considering he brought Hel to his knees in that two punches, nearly made wraith black out with ramming him to moon, I say he can hurt himself to that level.

he could then tear himself in half? And that's just an average Superman.
What are you trying to prove here bran?

This "Superman" in Doomsday appeared even stronger than Superman or at the very least his equal. So it would flow into:
Do you think Superman operating at a different level could almost kill Superman operating at a different level with HV, damage himself with a planet ram, and tear himself in half?
Once again you are using circular logic. We know Doomsday even while weaker was quite above both Diana and mongul. It wouldn't make any sense for him to be lower in durability just because Superman tore him in half. By your logic both mongul and Diana should have beaten him.

And I'm not saying it's a low showing. You said he shrugged off all her attacks.

Sword attacks are now strength showings?

Also where did it say he was as durable as Superman, not that it matters since anyone who's as strong as Superman is immediately discounted... coughmartianmanhunter
If it says endurance I swear to God I shouldn't have to say that doesn't mean durability.
When J'onn can break Diana's arms with one punch or break phantom zone in half with a punch, call me. Superman level strength, superman level endurance but way lower durability? Ha.

Superman got floored when he tried to catch his punch. And then Doomsday ran over to attack him.
Still, no shame there. Even if he caught that punch it would just be impressive on Superman's part. DD was still comfortably above any one or three of them together. 2 dozen is pretty crazy though.
I know right.

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Third panel has all the Kryptonians, at least two dozen by my estimate.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's a good chance Zom Strange beats them all to death as long as he doesn't hesitate and get glassed.
Though he's the only thing off the top of my head with enough power output to put the two middle DDs down. Sentry might be able to KO DD Wars DD though with a big attack.

Adamantium bomb might put down the weak ones. And Sentry would tear New Doomsday in half.

Juggernaut could probably beat those two too.

Though New Krypton Doomsday would win fairly handy imo.

I didn't think of Strange. It was plot device that he lost to WWH. Sentry would tear DCNU DD in half but not the one portrayed in WWH. My argument is speed and claws. Those things add a dimension Hulk never had. Juggs would definitely pose a problem though.

Does Reed only get the weapons he used in WWH?

He gets the sentry flashlight lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He gets the sentry flashlight lol.

Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?


This.

I dont think Herc or Darwin or whatever would've made that big a difference, but Juggernaut walks into the lake and then that's it? lmfao

Originally posted by krisblaze
This.

I dont think Herc or Darwin or whatever would've made that big a difference, but Juggernaut walks into the lake and then that's it? lmfao

Agreed on Herc, but with Darwin, he actually possesses the power of plot. Had their roles been reversed - and Darwin was being written up as a rogue X-man stomping 'Marvel Earth' - it would have been so easy for Pak to wank him.

He needs to do X? Boom, he develops X. He needs to do Y? Bam, he can now do Y.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?

this post is spot on.

The cis/pis in Hulks favour was terrible

Worst thing is, they didn't have to do it to get the Hulk to win. Pak was just a lazy/terrible writer for that event. I have ZERO problem with the Hulk winning each and every fight he gts in (its his event, after all), but it could have been written so much better, and differently.

So rather than, say, what we saw in Indestructible Hulk (where they attempt to punt Hulk to the N-Zone, and he resists it), they have.....Reed constructing a Sentry Fleshlight to soothe the beast.

Why not attempt to punt him to the N-Zone, and he resisting it? No.

The whole Hulk doesn't kill BS excuse pissed me off too, yet he was willing to let Reed kill Tony when they fought Gladiator style. In fact Hulk gave the yes decision to have stark killed iirc

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed on Herc, but with Darwin, he actually possesses the power of plot. Had their roles been reversed - and Darwin was being written up as a rogue X-man stomping 'Marvel Earth' - it would have been so easy for Pak to wank him.

He needs to do X? Boom, he develops X. He needs to do Y? Bam, he can now do Y.

Darwin almost died from a single hit from the Hulk. He wouldn't have made a difference a d lol at your interpretation of everything, especially Professor X.

Originally posted by carver9
Darwin almost died from a single hit from the Hulk. He wouldn't have made a difference a d lol at your interpretation of everything, especially Professor X.

Emma was able to stop him. Considering later on, with a SINGLE word, he put Phoenix Five members to sleep....do you think Emma Frost would be able to stop a determined Prof X?

1. Instead of doing something like the Zeno Room (where, no matter how much you travel, you will never reach your destination), Reed builds the Sentry Fleshlight. Is it my interpretation, or did that really happen? Plot device.

2. I have you admitting that Ton'y nanites would have worked. They were stolen from him. Plot device.

3. GR apparently only 'avenges the innocent'. But the Illuminati WERE innocent of the bomb that destroyed Sakaar and killed his family. It was Miek who did so. So GR riding away was plot device.

4. Zom was blowing massive holes in him, until the civilians were there. Plot device or not? Why didn't they just have Hulk overpowering him? Clue: because Hulk couldn't.

5. Xavier, I have talked about.

6. Darwin: here's another power he could have tried - Pixie's powers. Oh wait, wasn't Pixie there already (hint: she was). Pixie attempted to send Kuurth to the centre of the Sun; why didn't she do the same to WWH?

7. Juggernaut apparently is unstoppable. Even to himself. Which explains why we've never seen him stop running, ever.

8. I just like seeing the words 'pounding Herc'.

I was going to respond abhi and then I realized I didn't care anymore. Besides the DD not needing a body it's all arguing opinions on power levels.

All I'll say is be careful using writer statements with these two characters especially with Pak saying Hulk is still stronger than Superman.

And character statements aren't much without feats to back it up. As a Superman fan you would be well versed to veer away from this considering everyone in DC is Superman level at one point in time. 😬

Also I really want more fights like New Krypton Doomsday fights in comics. Maybe not to death. but a bunch of relentless characters acting as a team fighting one being.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
The whole Hulk doesn't kill BS excuse pissed me off too, yet he was willing to let Reed kill Tony when they fought Gladiator style. In fact Hulk gave the yes decision to have stark killed iirc
... Hulk still wouldn't have a kill to his name, but you still missed the point of why he wanted them to fight each other facepalm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Emma was able to stop him. Considering later on, with a SINGLE word, he put Phoenix Five members to sleep....do you think Emma Frost would be able to stop a determined Prof X?

1. Instead of doing something like the Zeno Room (where, no matter how much you travel, you will never reach your destination), Reed builds the Sentry Fleshlight. Is it my interpretation, or did that really happen? Plot device.

2. I have you admitting that Ton'y nanites would have worked. They were stolen from him. Plot device.

3. GR apparently only 'avenges the innocent'. But the Illuminati WERE innocent of the bomb that destroyed Sakaar and killed his family. It was Miek who did so. So GR riding away was plot device.

4. Zom was blowing massive holes in him, until the civilians were there. Plot device or not? Why didn't they just have Hulk overpowering him? Clue: because Hulk couldn't.

5. Xavier, I have talked about.

6. Darwin: here's another power he could have tried - Pixie's powers. Oh wait, wasn't Pixie there already (hint: she was). Pixie attempted to send Kuurth to the centre of the Sun; why didn't she do the same to WWH?

7. Juggernaut apparently is unstoppable. Even to himself. Which explains why we've never seen him stop running, ever.

8. I just like seeing the words 'pounding Herc'.

A lot of this is borderline nonsense