General Grievous vs. Depa Billaba/Shaak Ti

Hmm.

Presumably because Dooku personally trained Grievous and has casually whooped his ass? That would make him an authority on Grievous' dueling ability.

And the implication that Dooku was making was that Cin Drallig and everyone else mentioned in that passage would beat Grievous' ass.

Right, but Dooku isn't exactly the most honest fellow, is he?

Grievous had been a delight to train, as well. No need to coax him to release his anger and rage, as Dooku had been forced to do during the training of his so-called Dark Jedi disciples. The Geonosians had arranged for Grievous to be nothing but anger and rage. And as to the general’s combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

But then, Dooku had kept some secrets to himself.

Just in case.

And yeno, we also have this, again, from Dooku.

He had a meeting scheduled with the formidable General Grievous, who was even more powerful than Ventress, but a great deal less interesting as a dinner-table conversationalist.

Neither of those statements cast any doubt on the validity of his statement.

Dooku lies when he has something to gain. Warning Grievous that he's no match for council-level fighters does nothing to benefit Dooku.

You don't find it contradictory that he tells Grievous that Cin Drallig could kick his ass, but muses to himself that Grievous is a challenge for himself, and is a better fighter than Ventress? How powerful do you think Drallig is?

And Grievous clearly is a match for Council-level fighters, considering the fact he took out two of them on Hypori, and repeatedly proved a challenge for Kenobi during TCW. (Just covering my bases between what people regard as fan-fiction, and canon portrayals).

No. Is Ventress a better fighter than Cin Dralig? And we already knew Grievous was stronger than Ventress when he crushed her and Durge at the same time. That isn't a secret to be kept.

The text explicitly states that Grievous is a challenge for Dooku "when he kept secrets of his own". The implication is that he's holding things back from Grievous so he doesn't become stronger than Dooku.

Yes, she is. Because Drallig, while very good, is a far cry away from Anakin as a fighter (Ventress isn't, as she's repeatedly proven). Outside of that he has decent accolades, and is better than Shaak Ti.

I used to interpret it that way, in recent times I look at it more like Dooku kept that kind of praise to himself because he didn't want Grievous believing he really was a challenge for Dooku, thus preventing any risk of him being usurped. Not sure what combat secrets Dooku could keep from Grievous, Dooku tutored him in all seven forms.

Originally posted by ILS
Yes, she is. Because Drallig, while very good, is a far cry away from Anakin as a fighter (Ventress isn't, as she's repeatedly proven). Outside of that he has decent accolades, and is better than Shaak Ti.

Eh...

Anakin has already stomped characters more powerful tha Ventress (Dooku). His performance swings wildly depending on his mental state.

In that case I'd simply point to her impressive showing against Mace Windu.

Then again Dooku is hardly infallible when it comes to the matter of judging whether f*cking Cin Drallig is better than Ventress or not.

Team wins. Both is too much.

Great argument DMB 👆

The Jedi are too much for him, both are top tier High Council members. Given the feats of other High Council Masters against him I find it hard to believe two of the best on the Council would lose.

I liked you better when you were promoting Maul.

Promoting? hardly, the nescience around here regarding him is painfully obvious however.

Not saying it's a bad thing that you promoted his feats.

Honestly, the fact that my statements concerning him could be considered promotions is actually quite disheartening. No wonder a bunch of people here call him a brute.

Quotes provided by myself should be common knowledge considering he is one of the most popular and explored characters the Prequels introduced, if not the saga.

Originally posted by ILS
Yes, she is. Because Drallig, while very good, is a far cry away from Anakin as a fighter (Ventress isn't, as she's repeatedly proven). Outside of that he has decent accolades, and is better than Shaak Ti.

I used to interpret it that way, in recent times I look at it more like Dooku kept that kind of praise to himself because he didn't want Grievous believing he really was a challenge for Dooku, thus preventing any risk of him being usurped. Not sure what combat secrets Dooku could keep from Grievous, Dooku tutored him in all seven forms.

It's hard to take that sentiment seriously when Obi-Wan has casually toyed with a blood-lusted Ventress before. I'm willing to concede that Drallig is one of the most featless characters in the era, but unless Ventress has done something impressive in the latter half of the CW series (which I haven't seen, last episode I saw was the beginning of the Death Watch arc), putting her close to Anakin in dueling ability sounds rather far-fetched to me.

There is more to dueling than technical knowledge of the styles. Adding to that, Dooku hiding Grievous' progress out of fear that he might grow some self-esteem and try to usurp him (lol) is silly because even if Grievous' managed to match Dooku in sabers, he has no defense against Dooku's mastery of the force. This is the guy who has stalemated Yoda in a force contest. Grievous against a blood-lusted Dooku would get his privilege checked even faster then when Mace did him in on Coruscant.