Wonder Woman & Wonder Girl vs Thor & Angela

Originally posted by Stoic
Her armor, and lasso do not, and will not make up for the huge lack in skill, and combat expertise. Cassie has never had to fight someone of this skill level. Cassie wouldn't actually be fighting Angela either, because Angela would immediately know that Diana was the more skilled of the two, and engage Diana. Cassie would be up against Thor from the start. This is based on character. Angela loves a challenge, Diana also loves a challenge. Those two are tailor made for each other. What would end up happening is that Thor would defeat Cassie handily in terms of power, and gang up on Diana. This isn't a stomp but the Marvel team has the advantage.

That's one possible scenario. With silent armor, I can see Cass hollering her own against female Thor while Diana takes out Angela. Not very smart of Angela to go straight to WW. still give the small edge to team 1.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That's one possible scenario. With silent armor, I can see Cass hollering her own against female Thor while Diana takes out Angela. Not very smart of Angela to go straight to WW. still give the small edge to team 1.

Diana isn't walking all over Angela. I don't know who you imagine Diana to be, but she isn't a trans level character. A battle between Angela and Diana would last for hours or days. Cassie isn't holding Thor for that long. Angela is most certainly an Elite Top Tier MA, just like Diana, and she fast enough to dodge Mjolnir being thrown at her with ease.

In terms of it being smart of Angela or not, she will engage with Diana more times than not, and she would also be her teams leader, because Thor would not be the shot caller for her team. not logically anyways. Diana's character would probably also have her challenge Angela without trickery. I'm almost betting on them both fighting with only swords, or H2H, to determine which one of them was the best. Angela and Diana are pretty much the same character in terms of mentality. Diana beats Angela at this point due to feats, but not to the point that she could do away with her, before Thor got rid of Cassie.

What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?

She was beating Gamora and the guardians.

She beat a weakened Thor

Originally posted by krisblaze
Nothing really.

She was beating Gamora and the guardians.

She beat a weakened Thor

That's what I'm saying. She hasn't done enough for me to say she is on WW's level. Maybe one day, though. One day.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has Angela done that puts her in WW class?

She just beat the hell out of Hela's Valkyries, and made them use kamikaze tactics to keep her at bay. This worked for about 10 seconds, and she lopped their heads off. Gamora is an incredibly adept combatant, and Angela got the best of her in their fight. It wasn't a stomp, but it was evident that Gamora was trying her best. I respect the Wonder Woman character as an incredibly strong combatant, and i wouldn't say it if it weren't true, but Angela would have the ability of hanging with her for quite a while in a fight. You should try reading the Angela series. it's pretty decent. it's sure to change your perspective if anything.

Now for the record. Diana is the most dominant character on the field, but Cassie wouldn't beat either Thor or Angela. This is why team 2 wins a slight majority. It's not a stomp, unless you place Cassie up against Angela. She'd school her something fierce. Since they all would have basic knowledge of each other, there is greater than an 85% chance, that Diana's target would be Angela. She wouldn't dare allow Cassie to take on an opponent as deadly as Angela, and the same goes for Angela in concerns to the unproven yet very powerful Thor.

This would actually make for a very decent story IMO.

Originally posted by Stoic
She just beat the hell out of Hela's Valkyries, and made them use kamikaze tactics to keep her at bay. This worked for about 10 seconds, and she lopped their heads off. Gamora is an incredibly adept combatant, and Angela got the best of her in their fight. It wasn't a stomp, but it was evident that Gamora was trying her best. I respect the Wonder Woman character as an incredibly strong combatant, and i wouldn't say it if it weren't true, but Angela would have the ability of hanging with her for quite a while in a fight. You should try reading the Angela series. it's pretty decent. it's sure to change your perspective if anything.

Now for the record. Diana is the most dominant character on the field, but Cassie wouldn't beat either Thor or Angela. This is why team 2 wins a slight majority. It's not a stomp, unless you pace Cassie up against Angela. She'd school her something fierce. Since they all would have basic knowledge of each other, there is greater than an 85% chance, that Diana's target would be Angela. She wouldn't dare allow Cassie to take on an opponent as deadly as Angela, and the same goes for Angela in concerns to the unproven yet very powerful Thor.

This would actually make for a very decent story IMO.

That doesn't make her close to WW.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That doesn't make her close to WW.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That doesn't make her close to WW.

It doesn't make WW a trans level character either, nor should it allow anyone to believe that she'd roll on Angela. Do we know just how weak Thor was? I've seen a weaker, and battered Thor defeat Mangog. I mean if we really want to go the route of lessening the feat.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Mind you, the Disir were powerful but Loki also beat the living phuck out of them.

WW just has more options with removing her bracers and being the God of War. WW would take a solid majority over Angela, IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
WW just has more options with removing her bracers and being the God of War. WW would take a solid majority over Angela, IMO.

Do you think that Diana would resort to that sort of tactic when she craves challenge? Thor has the power in that hammer, and the skill at using it above anything that the Odinson ever saw in his entire life. She could literally beat the hell out of them by making the hammer repeatedly blitz the hell out of them. She appears to have mental control over the hammer. She also has full control over the weather, and winds. Will she do all of that though? In character Diana isn't going to take off the bracers. She's also not beating Thor, and Angela combined, because let's face it, Cassie isn't hanging with either of them for very long.

I would give Diana the majority over Thor girl as well. Thor girl hasn't done much yet, well, not on the level of WW.

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Diana the majority over Thor girl as well. Thor girl hasn't done much yet, well, not on the level of WW.

But Diana isn't beating the both of them. She isn't taking one out before Angela's team takes out Cass.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do you think that Diana would resort to that sort of tactic when she craves challenge? Thor has the power in that hammer, and the skill at using it above anything that the Odinson ever saw in his entire life. She could literally beat the hell out of them by making the hammer repeatedly blitz the hell out of them. She appears to have mental control over the hammer. She also has full control over the weather, and winds. Will she do all of that though? In character Diana isn't going to take off the bracers. She's also not beating Thor, and Angela combined, because let's face it, Cassie isn't hanging with either of them for very long.

Yes. Diana holds the clear edge.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yes. Diana holds the clear edge.

How often has Diana removed the bracers? She would not resort to that tactic, and even if she did, she isn't one shot beating Angela. For now she has more feats, but trying to inflate her to places that she does not belong is wrong on every level. Angela after all was said to have torn moons apart. it was off panel, but it's still canon to the character, and just how powerful she actually is. A statement like that clearly places her in the class 100 tier, and she has Top tier MA skills.

Diana isn't taking out Thor, or Angela, before one of them takes out Cass. Thor at least has Shield MA training. What former training does Cass have? Again Diana isn't beating them both. Anyway have to get moving.

Originally posted by Stoic
But Diana isn't beating the both of them. She isn't taking one out before Angela's team takes out Cass.

True. I would give Thor crew the win because of that. Wondergirl is a weak link. Celey didn't have many choice from DC tbh. If he would've chosen any other female powerhouse from DC, it would've been too powerful.

Originally posted by Stoic
How often has Diana removed the bracers? She would not resort to that tactic, and even if she did, she isn't one shot beating Angela. For now she has more feats, but trying to inflate her to places that she does not belong is wrong on every level. Angela after all was said to have torn moons apart. it was off panel, but it's still canon to the character, and just how powerful she actually is. A statement like that clearly places her in the class 100 tier, and she has Top tier MA skills.

Diana isn't taking out Thor, or Angela, before one of them takes out Cass. Thor at least has Shield MA training. What former training does Cass have? Again Diana isn't beating them both. Anyway have to get moving.

She's done it a few times. If she did, it would be over for team 2.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hmm. Do you mean the part about Thor being the only one that could run up the boulevard without having a major wardrobe malfunction?

Originally posted by ODG
Basically. Angela has no armor covering her actual vital parts. Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl are wearing swimsuits. Considering their "warrior heritages"... it's just ludicrous.

Ohhh, I was thinking about the T it's. (imagine me saying that with a southern accent). The T it's.

Originally posted by Golgo13
She's done it a few times. If she did, it would be over for team 2.

Your problem is that you have a very low opinion of marvel characters. This does not somehow translate into Diana cuffed or uncuffed taking out two heavy weights alone.