Emperor Palpatine vs. Darth Vader & Darth Malgus

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Even if the Shaak Ti scene is barely being confirmed as canon, that would only indicate that deleted scenes aren't automatically canon, otherwise we wouldn't need such confirmation for the scene to barely be considered canon.

Well that would kind of need confirming seen as the EU had her survive ROTS.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, I haven't watched all the Rebel episodes, so can someone tell me how powerful the Inquisitor is supposed to be compared to Kanan? From what I've seen, they seem pretty close, except the Inquisitor comes of as more refined in TK, similar to Dooku vs Anakin.

Until the very last episodes he was much more powerful and skilled than Kanan in both Sabers and the Force.

In fact he actually was "toying" in their first fight given the number of times he has Kanan but keeps talking instead:

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^ First at 0:48, then Definitely at 1:11-1:21 and possibly again at 1:48.

As for the force pin, after being ragdolled by the Inq at 2:16, Kanan completely freezes the Inq (2:42), then pins him to the ceiling, then puts him down himself (but yes he struggles although he did it one handed and he had just been knocked out).

Anyway by the final episodes Kanan catches up to Inquisitor in Sabers, but he was never as powerful as him in Tk seen as the Inq has consistently controlled Kanan with Tk throughout the season, even in the final episodes.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

As for this deleted scenes debate I'm fairly certain its stated in the original canon policy that deleted scenes are G-canon unless they contradict the movie (like Shaak Ti's death). I don't know where the new canon stands on this but that is what it used to be.

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Oh yeah just remembered!

It was shown in TCW the way it was depicted in the ROTS deleted scene:

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^ 0:20-0:23

Sidious still wins.

DP is jealous.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well that would kind of need confirming seen as the EU had her survive ROTS.

Exactly my point. Deleted scenes have never been treated as absolute canon. They have the potential to be canon. That's why we see Shaak Ti running around in the EU, whereas the last we seen of Fisto was being slaughtered at the hands of Sidious (not including back stories obviously), because the canonicity of both scenes were never treated the same.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Until the very last episodes he was much more powerful and skilled than Kanan in both Sabers and the Force.

In fact he actually was "toying" in their first fight given the number of times he has Kanan but keeps talking instead:

YouTube video

^ First at 0:48, then Definitely at 1:11-1:21 and possibly again at 1:48.

Thanks.

That clears it then. The Inquisitor has never shown to be leagues above Kanan in power, only vastly more skilled and refined. His most solid defeat of Kanan was the episode that introduced Tarkin, then two episodes later he beats the Inquisitor when more focused and lets go of his fear. Kanan's mindset is what held him back. Again, similar to Anakin vs Dooku. Kanan proved he had it in him to beat the Inquisitor with clarity of mind and Focus. Therefore comparing them to Sidious vs the bros is faulty. Sidious is just miles ahead of both of the bros combined according to Filoni, and they weren't even close to ready to beat Sidious, not even a maxed rage Maul despite Sidious holding back considerably.

DP's anti-Sidious campaign is getting silly. Vader's a bad mofo, but he's Sidious's b1tch in both old and nu!canon.

Comparisons between the Inquisitor & Kanan and Sidious & the Zabraks are inappropriate. The Inquisitor's advantage was skill and technique compared to the rusty Kanan, an advantage that vanished by the end of the season. Sidious was leagues ahead of Maul and Savage per Word of God and feats.

Ti's death could also theoretically be at the hands of Anakin during Operation: Knightfall.

I feel like a part of the Inquisitor's edge was psychological. Kanan was never confident in his abilities and the Inquisitor Don Moch's him constantly, mocking his skills and intimidates him with his unconventional lightsaber that Kanan doesn't know how to fight. That's why Kanan's ultimate victory comes from him ceasing to be held back and being afraid and he's able to see his opponents weapon for the weakness that it is, rather than fear it.

Huh, for some reason I kept thinking Vader destroyed an AT-ST, not a freaking AT-AT! That's pretty good considering it's canon Vader. In the old canon an AT-AT was capable of surviving an orbital bombardment from Star Destroyers lol.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
DP's anti-Sidious campaign is getting silly.

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Only you could see this as an "anti-Sidious" campaign.

FYI Ares was the first to relate the Sidious vs Maul and Opress Force Pins to Kanan catching Inquisitor off guard.

But as per usual you feel the need to direct your love of Sidious via attacks on me.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Comparisons between the Inquisitor & Kanan and Sidious & the Zabraks are inappropriate. The Inquisitor's advantage was skill and technique compared to the rusty Kanan, an advantage that vanished by the end of the season.

Nah Kanan was always Inquistor's b**** in a Tk contest. That didn't change in the last episodes. In Kanan's final victory he simply didn't give Inquisitor a chance to Utilize Tk too much - hence the constant shooting every time there was distance between them. Even then Inq does floor Kanan with Tk at one point.

As for the their first fight, you can clearly see Inquisitor is miles ahead of Kanan at that point in Sabers and in the Force. Whether his massive advantage in the Force is down to focus or training is frankly irrelevant. After all Sidious's own Power advantage over Maul is down to decades of Force mastery. There's really nothing to say for sure that Sidious has more natural potential than Maul (although I wouldn't rule that out).

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sidious was leagues ahead of Maul and Savage per Word of God and feats.

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As usual no one's denying that, yet you feel the need to keep bringing that up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
the Inquisitor Don Moch's him constantly, mocking his skills

Yeah but he does that when he has Kanan on the ropes. So it just seems like he was Toying with Kanan tbh.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah Kanan was always Inquistor's b**** in a Tk contest. That didn't change in the last episodes. In Kanan's final victory he simply didn't give Inquisitor a chance to Utilize Tk too much - hence the constant shooting every time there was distance between them. Even then Inq does floor Kanan with Tk at one point.

As for the their first fight, you can clearly see Inquisitor is miles ahead of Kanan at that point in Sabers and in the Force. Whether his massive advantage in the Force is down to focus or training is frankly irrelevant.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Ti's death could also theoretically be at the hands of Anakin during Operation: Knightfall.

Always in motion the future is. Not to mention some of that stuff was symbolic. Kenobi and Mace never lead a battle charge against a battalion of Clone Troopers (as badass as that would have been).

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The whole Grievous/Shaak Ti schpiel that was deleted was also confirmed to be canon recently, iirc.

That is either BS or someone drunk in a position of authority decided to create a giant plothole in ROTS.

I coulda swore Bantha or Joker made this exact thread and it also got a lot of posts

I don't recall making this before.

I think that one was Palps vs Revan and Malgus.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That is either BS or someone drunk in a position of authority decided to create a giant plothole in ROTS.

TCW Season 6, Yoda sees her death in his vision.

Isn't Shaak Ti seen after the Battle of Coruscant in RotS on the Council or something? If she was killed by Grievous on the Invisible Hand that wouldn't make sense.

She was likely killed by Anakin during Operation: Knightfall.

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Seems likely. Anakin kills her in the same way as well.

MOST LIKELY SIDIOUS.

TOO FAST, TOO SKILLED

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