Military veterans will suffer from GOP food stamp cuts

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why is America the only country who needs to be constantly praised for intervening?

Their intervention and subsequent economic help allowed them a corporate foothold in Europe and is a great deal of the reason why they maintained a superior economic advantage the follow decades.

That and the fact that they were phucking johnny come lately's to the party.

I'm not saying America is any better or worse than Soviet in the regard of joining out of self-interest, I'm simply saying that it wasn't done as some grand favour to Europe. And that the US not joining until 1941 massively helped its position during the post-war period.

If you think Japan wasn't forced into that war then I think you should reconsider. I can suggest some literature.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm not saying America is any better or worse than Soviet in the regard of joining out of self-interest, I'm simply saying that it wasn't done as some grand favour to Europe. And that the US not joining until 1941 massively helped its position during the post-war period.

If you think Japan wasn't forced into that war then I think you should reconsider. I can suggest some literature.

I don't see how America joining in 1939 or 1940 would have changed much of anything. The extent to which the Germans could hurt America (with U-Boats) was effectively already in full swing by the time of Pearl Harbor due to unrestricted submarine warfare. An extra year wouldn't have bled America dry, nor would it have effected the outcome of the Battle of France as America wasn't in any position to send significant forces even if they'd had the political will to do so. So really, nothing would have changed except the War in the Pacific would have begun differently (who knows how, who knows when, but it was bound to happen). Maybe the Battle of Britain would have been an easier victory for the allies if the Americans sent fighter squadrons and planes rather than just a squadron of volunteers, and maybe the allies would have launched their invasion of North Africa in 1941 instead of 1942, but that wouldn't change the situation on the European continent, which is what you're talking about. Italy would have still been devastated by the allied invasion and the collapse of the government. Ditto for Germany.

What do you mean by "forced?" (Are you referring to the economic war between America and Japan in the 1930s that drove it to attempt seizing Southeast Asia and Indonesia?) And what do you mean by "Japan?" Japan as in the country, as in the people, or as in the government?

If anyone was a Johnny Come Lately it was the Turks, who only declared war on Germany as a symbolic gesture when the armistice was all but signed. Or the Bulgarians, Romanians, and Hungarians who tried to switch sides in 1945 after fighting on the Axis side for most of the war, only to get steamrolled anyway by the Soviets.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
The GOP just wants veterans to become independent and lift themselves up by their bootstraps.

Well, this is the joke-political post of yours that finally made me laugh.

Congrats. Have my upvote, +1, and like.

Originally posted by Star428
Thanks for the link. I read the article and it seems that those particular Marines were looking for payback for the killing of one of their own. They probably thought that insurgents and/or those responsible for the killing were hiding among those that they killed. It's not like they just decided to go and murder innocent civilians for fun.

In any case, one rogue incident of marines looking for retribution for the murder of one of their own is not indicative of the character of our entire military.

You really are brainwashed, to try and justify the murder of civilians. 👇

It was a revenge-killing against people who took no part in the killing of one American soldier. Not twenty one by the way. Because that's how many Iraqis were killed. Several being children. 👆

But it doesn't matter because they were brown, right? 🙂

All eight marines in Haditha were exonerated of all charges.

I thought this was common knowledge.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/breaking-final-haditha-marine-exonerated-wuterich-reaches-plea-deal-for-misdemeanor/

Yes, what's your point?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
All eight marines in Haditha were exonerated of all charges.

I thought this was common knowledge.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/breaking-final-haditha-marine-exonerated-wuterich-reaches-plea-deal-for-misdemeanor/

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Whatever. Keep telling yourself that, idiot. Considering some of your posts that I've read, I'd say you're the one living in the fantasyland, dumbass..

No shit our military has people in it who commit terrible acts, dummy. Did I ever say otherwise, Einstein? I said "our military is no more evil than any other military". And as you've just admitted, other militaries have those kinds of people as well so get off your high horse you "know-it-all."

You've probably never even served. You just sit behind your computer like a coward talking trash to people you know that you will never meet face-to-face. Like TI pointed out, most people like you are pussy's in general. LOL. Get over yourself, dude. I don't even know why I waste my time conversing with insignificant people like you.

Look how mad you are over being wrong. LOL! Anyhow.

Yes, you in fact did say as much:

Originally posted by Star428
Oh, and by the way, IF (and that's a big "if"😉 our military has done anything questionable it's because they were ordered to by the government. The men and women in uniform are just following orders from the top.

You just talked the same "trash" as I apparently did by noting that there's awful people in the military as well. Good job 👆

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Yes, what's your point?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how that justifies killing children.

Uhh not sure how much more you need there.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how that justifies killing children.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
...the charges were dropped because it didn't happen....

Uhh not sure how much more you need there.

The guy himself admitted it happened. The case was dropped because some saw it as not a war crime. Most of them were given immunity and he got a slap on the wrist.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
...the charges were dropped because it didn't happen....

Uhh not sure how much more you need there.

LoL, this guy. The deaths did in fact happen.

"The court martial of Wuterich, the only defendant to stand trial for the Haditha killings, took place in January 2012. During the trial Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz testified that he urinated on the skull of one of the dead Iraqis.[63] He also testified, after describing how Wuterich shot the passengers of the car himself from close range, "Sergeant Wuterich approached me and told me if anyone asks, the Iraqis were running away from the car and the Iraqi army shot them".[64] In a plea deal, Wuterich pled guilty to dereliction of duty, while charges of assault and manslaughter were dropped.[16] He was convicted of a single count of negligent dereliction of duty on January 24, 2012, receiving a rank reduction and pay cut but avoiding jail time"

The military/courts ending up accepting a plea deal which dropped the murder charges to DoD. Cos "innocents murdered in cold blood" is really bad PR for the US.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
...the charges were dropped because it didn't happen....

Uhh not sure how much more you need there.

Yeah maybe you should actually read the article.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, this guy. The deaths did in fact happen.

"The court martial of Wuterich, the only defendant to stand trial for the Haditha killings, took place in January 2012. During the trial Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz testified that he urinated on the skull of one of the dead Iraqis.[63] He also testified, after describing how Wuterich shot the passengers of the car himself from close range, "Sergeant Wuterich approached me and told me if anyone asks, the Iraqis were running away from the car and the Iraqi army shot them".[64] In a plea deal, Wuterich pled guilty to dereliction of duty, while charges of assault and manslaughter were dropped.[16] He was convicted of a single count of negligent dereliction of duty on January 24, 2012, receiving a rank reduction and pay cut but avoiding jail time"

The military/courts ending up accepting a plea deal which dropped the murder charges to DoD. Cos "innocents murdered in cold blood" is really bad PR for the US.

in addition.

"Some of the most damaging testimony for prosecutors came from Wuterich's immediate superior at Haditha, former Marine 1st Lt. William Kallop, who testified that he gave the order to "clear" houses where the 19 Iraqis died."

from the NYtimes http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/us/18haditha.html

The man himself admitted he did have them clear the houses (like the man above testified), and that civilians were there. The only argument one can make is weather it was intentional, not that it didn't happen.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how that justifies killing children.

I never said it did. It's called war, bad shit happens on both sides.

People act like things are just the **** and there is naked women running around handing out hand jobs.

Bad shit happens

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
The guy himself admitted it happened. The case was dropped because some saw it as not a war crime. Most of them were given immunity and he got a slap on the wrist.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Yeah maybe you should actually read the article.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
in addition.

"Some of the most damaging testimony for prosecutors came from Wuterich's immediate superior at Haditha, former Marine 1st Lt. William Kallop, who testified that he gave the order to "clear" houses where the 19 Iraqis died."

from the NYtimes http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/us/18haditha.html

The man himself admitted he did have them clear the houses (like the man above testified), and that civilians were there. The only argument one can make is weather it was intentional, not that it didn't happen.

Your whole point was it never happened. It did unarmed people were killed. Weather or not you believe it was a war crime is a separate argument. all sources admit that they did kill those people under his order to shoot anyone you see.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
some? You mean the Judge? I also feel like you don't know what he pleaded guilty too. I did... You may want to aswell. you clear houses after an attack... It sucks that "innocent" people get hurt but it prevents ambushes.

A mother died trying to shield her daughter from the soldiers, who died immediately afterwards anyway. Men, women, children and elderly were all executed, mostly from close range, in cold blood. There was no evidence that they had anything to do with any insurgents, and the only gun that was found was a home defense AK-47 that had not been fired. The only reason they went out there was to avenge the soldier that had been killed earlier, whether those Iraqis had anything to do with the insurgents or not.

Those soldiers deserve to be put up against a wall and shot for what they did, but I guess since the lives of American soldiers are more valuable then brown Muslims and they shouldn't take any chance no matter the circumstances, who cares right?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
A mother died trying to shield her daughter from the soldiers, who died immediately afterwards anyway. Men, women, children and elderly were all executed, mostly from close range, in cold blood. There was no evidence that they had anything to do with any insurgents, and the only gun that was found was a home defense AK-47 that had not been fired. The only reason they went out there was to avenge the soldier that had been killed earlier, whether those Iraqis had anything to do with the insurgents or not.

Those soldiers deserve to be put up against a wall and shot for what they did, but I guess since the lives of American soldiers are more valuable then brown Muslims and they shouldn't take any chance no matter the circumstances, who cares right?

Not that I necessarily disagree with EVERYTHING you say but yeah, American lives should be more important than Muslims. Just look at what muslim extremists are doing to people today. And please don't give me that "not all muslims are bad" BS. The ones who claim that they do not support ISIS wouldn't hesitate to side with them if ISIS attacked here in the US.

Also, poster is right who said that that area over there is a breeding ground for terrorists and other slime. I would never advocate the slaughtering of innocent women and children but if you knew anything about Marines you would know how they feel about one of their own being murdered. What they did was wrong, I agree, but it was an act of revenge not one of pure evil like a lot of people are making it out to be.

You can say "there was no evidence of insurgents there" all u like but maybe those marines who were filled with vengeful anger didn't think it thru and perhaps they thought that even if there was no evidence of insurgents there that those people they killed were possibly aiding them somehow.