Lucifer/WF Mxy vs CA Superman/Mandrakk

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well...

I'll throw a shortened version out there of their history as I understand it.

Basically the original Monitor from COIE was all shitvistated and split himself in two after the Primal Monitor was bi curious about what was going on inside him and sent the original Monitor to investigate. One was the armor that was used as a scab to seal the damage and the other was himself corrupted and shit.

So the Monitors all worship the Superman armor and are like oh ****, it must be a weapon. Yes, it must be the Ultimate Weapon that Dax left for us. It was also really ****ing big.

So anyway while all this shit is going on, Dax now Mandrakk is all eating the bleed and shit, leaching the stories and thus the structure of the entire DCU. And all the other Monitors are essentially doing the same thing to a lesser degree. But Dax went too far and had some followers so they locked his ass away.

So some giant spaceships come into the main universe but they're really nanotech of Mandrakk's iirc. They start wrecking up some shit. Then the infinite book happens and then Dr Manhattanmanofsteel grabs Superman and Ultraman and let's them attack each other so the matter and anti matter makes a big Superman ball of energy and shit, and then broadcasts that energy to a higher dimension.

That energy is the only thing capable of operating the Superman robot since it's the only story cool enough to do it. So it's basically Ultraman/Superman driving this thing around in a vastly higher dimensional plane where universes are palm sized.

Then they go and walk into a room where Rox Ogama (a disciple of Mandrakk) is having sex with the multiverse and absorbing the sex juices. He's basically a sex vampire here. And the reader is like **** this dude he's bad. And then Rox is like "Oh you thought I was the big evil, no friend, I'm merely a crazy ass hole, but the real evil is waking up from his nap"

Then some anorexic giant ass Monitor the size of Superman comes out and he's like "Dude, I got some fresh Bleed for you. But I really don't want to give it to you. Also only we Monitors can touch it because you're allergic and you'll get hives. Hacha!"

And the Superman half needed that Bleed for Lois because she was having dying disease time. So they fisticuff fighted.

Then they fighted some more and adapted to each other and then Superman kicked him down into the Unimind where the Eternals erased his existance. Mandrakk also one shot killed his bottom hoe Monitor Zillo in the fight.

Then the Thought Robot was damaged beyond all repair, and threw Superman back with the Bleed to Lois somehow. And it tossed Ultraman out like a sack of last weeks shit.

But Ikaris apparently left some trace of Mandrakk and Rox Cox ated him and turned into Mandrakk Jr and turned a scorned Ultraman into his evil slave. Then he ated Spectre and Radiant and got his ass hole turned inside out by the GL Corps and a bunch of Supermans.

Basically, Mandrakk was ultimo evil and CA was mega good. The goodest and the worstest.
And the feats are basically being able to eat all existance and being **** huge and the CA Armor sealing up the wounds left by Anti Monitor doing anti things to DC. Mandrakk 2 also beat Radiant and Spectre. He also one shotted a Monitor.

Though one could make the case that has to do with their dimensional plane but that was also their natural forms.

This is by far the best story ever wrote.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well...

I'll throw a shortened version out there of their history as I understand it.

Basically the original Monitor from COIE was all shitvistated and split himself in two after the Primal Monitor was bi curious about what was going on inside him and sent the original Monitor to investigate. One was the armor that was used as a scab to seal the damage and the other was himself corrupted and shit.

So the Monitors all worship the Superman armor and are like oh ****, it must be a weapon. Yes, it must be the Ultimate Weapon that Dax left for us. It was also really ****ing big.

So anyway while all this shit is going on, Dax now Mandrakk is all eating the bleed and shit, leaching the stories and thus the structure of the entire DCU. And all the other Monitors are essentially doing the same thing to a lesser degree. But Dax went too far and had some followers so they locked his ass away.

So some giant spaceships come into the main universe but they're really nanotech of Mandrakk's iirc. They start wrecking up some shit. Then the infinite book happens and then Dr Manhattanmanofsteel grabs Superman and Ultraman and let's them attack each other so the matter and anti matter makes a big Superman ball of energy and shit, and then broadcasts that energy to a higher dimension.

That energy is the only thing capable of operating the Superman robot since it's the only story cool enough to do it. So it's basically Ultraman/Superman driving this thing around in a vastly higher dimensional plane where universes are palm sized.

Then they go and walk into a room where Rox Ogama (a disciple of Mandrakk) is having sex with the multiverse and absorbing the sex juices. He's basically a sex vampire here. And the reader is like **** this dude he's bad. And then Rox is like "Oh you thought I was the big evil, no friend, I'm merely a crazy ass hole, but the real evil is waking up from his nap"

Then some anorexic giant ass Monitor the size of Superman comes out and he's like "Dude, I got some fresh Bleed for you. But I really don't want to give it to you. Also only we Monitors can touch it because you're allergic and you'll get hives. Hacha!"

And the Superman half needed that Bleed for Lois because she was having dying disease time. So they fisticuff fighted.

Then they fighted some more and adapted to each other and then Superman kicked him down into the Unimind where the Eternals erased his existance. Mandrakk also one shot killed his bottom hoe Monitor Zillo in the fight.

Then the Thought Robot was damaged beyond all repair, and threw Superman back with the Bleed to Lois somehow. And it tossed Ultraman out like a sack of last weeks shit.

But Ikaris apparently left some trace of Mandrakk and Rox Cox ated him and turned into Mandrakk Jr and turned a scorned Ultraman into his evil slave. Then he ated Spectre and Radiant and got his ass hole turned inside out by the GL Corps and a bunch of Supermans.

Basically, Mandrakk was ultimo evil and CA was mega good. The goodest and the worstest.
And the feats are basically being able to eat all existance and being **** huge and the CA Armor sealing up the wounds left by Anti Monitor doing anti things to DC. Mandrakk 2 also beat Radiant and Spectre. He also one shotted a Monitor.

Though one could make the case that has to do with their dimensional plane but that was also their natural forms.

On the Lucifer/Micheal/Infinity Gauntlet/pre Beyonders Living Tribunal range. Somewhere around there. I'd say they should be lower than all because while they did some cool shit they still lack showings besides against each other.

That's assuming Cannibal Mandrakk wasn't the same level though because you get a real Beyonders contradiction with that.

lmfao

Bran is too good for this world

Cosmic Armor would beat the shit out of LT at this point. True story bro.

Ten billion suns, eh bran?

😂

One of those gls would have dropped LT

All the cosmics must have caught the flu before hand. Really high fever.

They're just exhausted from making sure the Hulk doesn't thunderclap all dimensions to oblivion.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
One of those gls would have dropped LT

All the cosmics must have caught the flu before hand. Really high fever.

😂

Someone make a LT vs Starbrand thread.

Originally posted by krisblaze
They're just exhausted from making sure the Hulk doesn't thunderclap all dimensions to oblivion.

When you say thunderclap it sounds to much like Carver. I think that technique has been wanked more then Carvers Hulk dildos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal would krona blast LT to death.

😂

Someone make a LT vs Starbrand thread.

Is this based on the latest showings of the beyonders?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
On the Lucifer/Micheal/Infinity Gauntlet/pre Beyonders Living Tribunal range. Somewhere around there. I'd say they should be lower than all because while they did some cool shit they still lack showings besides against each other.

That's assuming Cannibal Mandrakk wasn't the same level though because you get a real Beyonders contradiction with that.

BTW, abhilegend and Time Immemorial
You are very prominent Superman debater. So I have question.
Is My Understanding about CAS power that He is the concept of Superman story itself and said to be greater than writer themselves, right or wrong?
I am not native English speaker, So I am not sure of my understanding for them.
Is my understanding about CAS wrong or right?

Tbh, I don't know if I'm ready to agree that the Beyonders we saw in NA #32 are equal to the three who slaughtered the hierarchy with ease. I mean, we know there are varying 'levels' within the Beyonder race--some of them are FAR more powerful than others(ergo Pym's "child unit" distinction.) We also know that the ones who battled the Avengers looked vastly different than the aforementioned three--robotic compared to flesh. Until we know more, I think it's silly to start acting like LT is just some Avengers-level feeb. srsly

Don't get me wrong, Hickman can certainly be off at times... It's hard to imagine him(or anyone for that matter) being this off, is all. *Hopefully* more will be revealed in the issues to come, but either way, it's still laughably ridiculous to have the Avengers pose ANY sort of challenge to even the weakest members of the Beyonder race. 👇

Originally posted by CatL18
Thank You.
I have different opinion about CAS and Mandrakk's strength, But I can understand and pay respect to your claim.
As a matter of fact, If We judge by feat, It is very reasonable conclusion.
I make much of Morrison's interpretation in his works that The concept of Superman is greater than even Writer the omnipotent God of Comics themselves. So I think that in concept CAS is bigger than even WF MXY.
Is it wrong interpretation?

BTW, abhilegend and Time Immemorial
You are very prominent Superman debater. So I have question.
Is My Understanding about CAS power that He is the concept of Superman story itself and said to be greater than writer themselves, right or wrong?
I am not native English speaker, So I am not sure of my understanding for them.
Is my understanding about CAS wrong or right?

But we pretty much know for a fact that both Mandrakk and CA Superman are dwarfed by the Primal Monitor. Then you have presumably the original Dax Novu before he split that should have been above them. And there's absolutely nothing they did or implied that should put them above God. That's 3 beings right there.

Also the writers isn't even a power level. We've seen writers in comics. They're pussies. We've seen a writer get portrayed as God. He's God not a writer. Are they supposed to be greater than Bendis or Morrison? I'm 90 percent sure I would knock both of them out with a jab. Does that make me greater than every comic character or something?

And the implication that a comic character being above a writer while actively being manipulated by a writer doesn't work either. His story is great, but so is let's say Wolverine. Wolverine's story is greater than 99 percent of the writers too. It's just not a plausible answer.

And it's not like he showed some writer power either. He just fought like Superman.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm 90 percent sure I would knock both of them out with a jab.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, I don't know if I'm ready to agree that the Beyonders we saw in NA #32 are equal to the three who slaughtered the hierarchy with ease. I mean, we know there are varying 'levels' within the Beyonder race--some of them are FAR more powerful than others(ergo Pym's "child unit" distinction.) We also know that the ones who battled the Avengers looked vastly different than the aforementioned three--robotic compared to flesh. Until we know more, I think it's silly to start acting like LT is just some Avengers-level feeb. srsly

Don't get me wrong, Hickman can certainly be off at times... It's hard to imagine him(or anyone for that matter) being this off, is all. *Hopefully* more will be revealed in the issues to come, but either way, it's still laughably ridiculous to have the Avengers pose ANY sort of challenge to even the weakest members of the Beyonder race. 👇

Didnt the writer confirm that those were true beyonders? he tried to justify it with a superman batman kryptonite analogy (which was horrible).

That was Brevoort. He is a well-established idiot/troll amongst the interwebs, and almost certainly has no clue as to what level Hickman(the actual writer of the comic) intended those Beyonders to be operating at.

Basically, until Hickman confirms what was said, I'll take Brev's comment with a grain of salt.

LT< Beyonders < Avengers

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

But we pretty much know for a fact that both Mandrakk and CA Superman are dwarfed by the Primal Monitor. Then you have presumably the original Dax Novu before he split that should have been above them. And there's absolutely nothing they did or implied that should put them above God. That's 3 beings right there.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Also the writers isn't even a power level. We've seen writers in comics. They're pussies. We've seen a writer get portrayed as God. He's God not a writer. Are they supposed to be greater than Bendis or Morrison? I'm 90 percent sure I would knock both of them out with a jab. Does that make me greater than every comic character or something?

And the implication that a comic character being above a writer while actively being manipulated by a writer doesn't work either. His story is great, but so is let's say Wolverine. Wolverine's story is greater than 99 percent of the writers too. It's just not a plausible answer.

And it's not like he showed some writer power either. He just fought like Superman.

It's a shame, because BW is giving a good story a bad name with his shenanigans.

Superman Beyond is an excellent read(one of the best out there, imo), and Thought-Robot/CA Supes is an excellent concept.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's a shame, because BW is giving a good story a bad name with his shenanigans.

Superman Beyond is an excellent read(one of the best out there, imo), and Thought-Robot/CA Supes is an excellent concept.