Originally posted by The_Tempest?v=2-O8QHZ382A
Tell that to these gals.
Sure, but those Nightsisters all have roughly the same power and skill. It's a little harder to analyse what would transpire if Dooku fights 3 combatants of different skill and power level each one. But after some thought I believe he'll die at no. 6 after clearing the previous duels quite easily.
Originally posted by Q99
One, I don't see Dooku 'shredding' council level people regardless of era. Beat them, to be sure, but it's not that easy.Sure, only Krayt, Wyyrlok, and Cade are a good fight one on one, but things don't go from 'good fight one on one' directly down to 'not of much use even in a team of 3, alongside someone stronger' in one step. Council fighters are not mooks.
Two, note how in *zero* cases did I note the Legacy person as a deciding factor. In no case is the legacy fighter more than the second best on the team- well, except for scenario one, and they don't have enough power combined anyway.
Vodo is a tough fight one on one. Throw in two council members- one CW, one Legacy. That's trouble.
Ven Zallow's a good fight for Malgus. Throw in Nihl and Kota on top, again, a tough battle.
Get outta here. Dooku is head and shoulders above your average Council-level Master, regardless of era. It's not that they're mooks in general, but they are mooks next to the good Count. Numbers mean diddly unless the units that comprise them are up to the challenge. Dooku makes short work of teams all the time.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Get outta here. Dooku is head and shoulders above your average Council-level Master, regardless of era.
Yep, agreed.
Which doesn't make them useless, especially if they're backup to someone stronger like Vodo.
The idea that 'once you're stronger, the lower level doesn't matter,' is one I very much don't agree with, and I don't think it holds up.
Numbers mean diddly unless the units that comprise them are up to the challenge. Dooku makes short work of teams all the time.
He doesn't make short work of teams of 3 council level individuals!
And some of these teams have individuals higher than that to boot.
Council Level people are good fights to Savage and Ventress, and both of those individuals are quite useful against Dooku, as we've seen.
Col. ValerianSavage has no defense against lightning, he's almost a non-factor against Dooku.
He looked more than a non-factor in the actual fight we saw...
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
If Dooku has knowledge that Savage doesn't have a defense against his lightning, he goes down. Fast.
Hey?
He blasted Savage with Lightning plenty when he fought off him and Ventress. And Savage did not go down fast. Well, he was on his knees, but Dooku had to keep blasting him to keep him that way. And in the end that just enraged Savage anyway.
He can take him fast 1 v 1 as shown in their training sessions, but 2/3 on 1 and Savage's physical strength seems to become much more problematic.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hey?He blasted Savage with Lightning plenty when he fought off him and Ventress. And Savage did not go down fast. Well, he was on his knees, but Dooku had to keep blasting him to keep him that way. And in the end that just enraged Savage anyway.
He can take him fast 1 v 1 as shown in their training sessions, but 2/3 on 1 and Savage's physical strength seems to become much more problematic.
True, but I'd rank Ventress above Plo and Aayla. Those two would go down quite fast against the Count imo. He can keep Savage at bay long enough to kill off the other two. And when he does, he goes full lightning against him and the duel ends.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Synergy's not quite what I was getting at.Maul's Tk mastery for instance is quite beastly. Not as good as Dooku's but still very powerful. So I doubt Maul will just have to watch helplessly as Dooku Tk's Kenobi.
Also Maul's a tough combatant for Dooku. Dooku will beat him 1 v 1 but hardly with ease. So fighting off both Kenobi and Maul first, then finishing Kenobi would likely leave a less than 100% Dooku for Maul to face.
I also do feel people underestimate Kenobi's swordsmanship and overall prowess due to his performances against Dooku. End of the day Kenobi stalemated Vader in both ROTS and ANH, and has consistently stalemated Maul as well. And that's on his own. Here he has Maul at his currently known peak fighting alongside him.
Maul isn't that hard of a combatant against Dooku. Tyranus has lightning, superior TK and superior lightsaber skills, and all of those aren't small gaps they are solid superiority for Tyranus. Additionally Skywalker has superior TK to Maul which did absolutely nothing for him when Dooku implanted his Rancor skinned boot in Anakin's chest and proceeded to choke out and severely injure his best friend and father figure.
Originally posted by Arhael
Also, lets not forget Kenobi's feats against Maul and Opress together and against Anakin. Yes, Dooku is superior but taking out Kenobi is definitely not an easy task for him and it's definetely not a guaranty that Dooku will be able to take out Kenobi with Force in other circumstances.
Dooku nearly kills him here at :59
And he's pushing them back from then on.
Throws Kenobi like a ***** who owes him money at 1:17 and breaks his ribs.
Lets be clear here without Skywalker, Kenobi doesn't have a chance in high hell to not get eviscerated by
Originally posted by |King Joker|
I only see him clutch it twice after Dooku knees him in the ribs. Doesn't at all mean they're broken.
Jedi have extremely high pain tolerance. We see them get their asses kicked and never hold their sides in pain like that. And nah it was after Dooku threw him that he holds it.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Maul isn't that hard of a combatant against Dooku. Tyranus has lightning, superior TK and superior lightsaber skills, and all of those aren't small gaps they are solid superiority for Tyranus.
I see it more as a small gap in each department giving Dooku a solid win overall tbh.
This is the same Maul who treated Opress as a non-factor (the same Opress who has Council members for breakfast), went up against Mace Windu/Aalya Secura at the same time and chucked a Jedi shuttle.
Dooku is superior, but don't underestimate the Sith prodigy that Maul is just because he struggles against Obi-Wan. After all Anakin Skywalker himself couldn't defeat Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Additionally Skywalker has superior TK to Maul which did absolutely nothing for him when Dooku implanted his Rancor skinned boot in Anakin's chest and proceeded to choke out and severely injure his best friend and father figure.
Anakin might have more raw power and better raw Tk feats, but in practice Maul seems to be able to apply his Tk much more masterfully and consistently. Hence Maul choking out Obi-Wan in Sith Hunters, and levitating him in Revival, yet Anakin stalemated a Tk contest with Obi-Wan in ROTS.