Zatanna Vs The Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To get stronger the madder he gets. Linked to his emotions, he is then capable of increasing his strength/healing exponentially.

As his strength increases, other physical characteristics, such as speed and stamina, all of which are linked to his muscles, also increases.

Sometimes, this leads to illogical things - like being able to grab intangible beings, energy, etc. [b]But it is all a function of his emotions. There are two main things to always remember about the Hulk:

1. The madder he is, the stronger he is.
2. He is the strongest there is. [/B]

So if his POWER is to get stronger, etc, based off his emotion and there's no OUTSIDE power up that is achieving this, can you explain to me why all of his fts doesn't belong to him? He did it, under his own power, so why can he not have what belongs to him?

Wait...

Is the argument seriously that Hulk would hold back his strength and that him knowing or not knowing her durability is an actual hurdle to overcome?
The one thing every Hulk does is punch things. Why the hell would he need a measure of her durability? She could be adamantium or made of paper and as long as Hulk is in full capacity he would hit them the same.

And why would he hold back either? Nevermind forum rules, but seriously?

Not saying he wins, but trying to cover every basis of why he loses doesn't work when those ideas are non sensical.

Hulk's only shot is a blitz. Otherwise he is toast.

Originally posted by ares834
Hulk's only shot is a blitz. Otherwise he is toast.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wait...

Is the argument seriously that Hulk would hold back his strength and that him knowing or not knowing her durability is an actual hurdle to overcome?
The one thing every Hulk does is punch things. Why the hell would he need a measure of her durability? She could be adamantium or made of paper and as long as Hulk is in full capacity he would hit them the same.

And why would he hold back either? Nevermind forum rules, but seriously?

Not saying he wins, but trying to cover every basis of why he loses doesn't work when those ideas are non sensical.

Because it's Doc Green. And doesn't kill. None of the Hulks do.

Carver's arguing powerset, and that the ding of the bell, Doc will speed blitz.

@Carver: there IS an external stimuli powering him up. Do you not read Hulk comics?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it's Doc Green. And doesn't kill. None of the Hulks do.

Carver's arguing powerset, and that the ding of the bell, Doc will speed blitz.

@Carver: there IS an external stimuli powering him up. Do you not read Hulk comics?

He is powered by a dimension, just like Superman is powered by Stars, just like Kyle is powered by the Lantern, etc, etc...that still doesn't go against what I said. If he has done everything within his own power, without any outside assistance, then again, why doesn't those fts belong to him? Why are we picking and choosing?

By the way, I'm not arguing powerset.

No, he's powered by his anger. How do you not know this?

If he isn't angry, he doesn't get as powerful. They drove this point home over and over with WWH and WBH storylines. You should read them.

If Hulk A is not as angry as Hulk B, then he is not as powerful. If Hulk B gets calmed down by puppies, or Betty, he will lose his power snd revert to Banner.

The external stimuli which makes him angry is what powers him. He doesn't just achieve WWH levels on his own. There was a storyline, called Planet Hulk, which details how he came to be.

Wouldn't her saying calm down be a little too high end? I think she'd need to be more creative than that. He would know he's being tampered with and power thru. Thats what he does.

Doc Green doesn't revert to Banner by being calm it's a conscious choice. Just throwing that out there.

zatanna, without a doubt, she has some of the most insane feats from JLD

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
zatanna, without a doubt, she has some of the most insane feats from JLD

Yeah, her freezing time (with Xanadu and Nurse) across the Multiverse (which was stated to be infinite universes) was pretty damn huge, even if it was a shared feat.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, her freezing time (with Xanadu and Nurse) across the Multiverse (which was stated to be infinite universes) was pretty damn huge, even if it was a shared feat.

She also banished the nanda parbat spirits, enchanted swamp thing to create the world tree, and many more feats.

I cant fathom a way for the Hulk to win. I really cant.

Hulk loses, Z freezing him in his tracks or turning him back into Banner or any multitude of things that she can come up with really.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, he's powered by his anger. How do you not know this?

If he isn't angry, he doesn't get as powerful. They drove this point home over and over with WWH and WBH storylines. You should read them.

If Hulk A is not as angry as Hulk B, then he is not as powerful. If Hulk B gets calmed down by puppies, or Betty, he will lose his power snd revert to Banner.

The external stimuli which makes him angry is what powers him. He doesn't just achieve WWH levels on his own. There was a storyline, called Planet Hulk, which details how he came to be.

WTF. That's the entire point of the Hulk. His power thrives off of his anger and this applies to EVERY Hulk. His power is to be dynamic and him being angry doesn't mean he is receiving some type of outside amp. Then, EVERY Hulk has the ability to get angry...hell, anger is what triggers the Hulk so again. You taking his fts away from him is like taking his ability away from him. You might as well consider all of his threads a calm Hulk thread since you don't understand that his powerset is based off of his anger.

WWH being angrier than ever doesn't change anything I'm saying. Him being angry just increased his POWERSET. No external amp was given, it was all based on HIS powerset. Superman sundipping is an external amp. Havok jumping in all star is an external amp. Someone powers being based off of their anger is an internal amp. It's their powerset. Do you not understand this? You clinging one ft to one Hulk is like you picking and choosing a powerset of the character when overall, his powerset is based off amping. Planet Hulk 'Hulk' was the same freaking Hulk that came to Earth angrier than ever. The only difference was, he was pissed. He fed off the same power source, his own. What's so hard to grasp here? Where does this stop? Does this also apply to Hyperion? Does this apply to Doomsday as well? The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. Does this apply to every character that powers thrives off of their emotions? What about Gladiator? If he starts the battle off at a calm mild confident state and stomps Thor, does that mean he would rip Thor in half if he is pissed? We need to do a separation here. Let's make a list off all the characters who powers thrive off their mental state and separate fts. I know this just doesn't apply to Hulk, huh? Do you want me to make the list? If so, can you apply when the fts for each character is valid or not?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
She also banished the nanda parbat spirits, enchanted swamp thing to create the world tree, and many more feats.

Forgot about those. 👆

The problem with the "Hulk blitzing" theory is that I've never seen him display speed on Clark's, Diana's, or even Spider-Man's level.

Originally posted by Star428
The problem with the "Hulk blitzing" theory is that I've never seen him display speed on Clark's, Diana's, or even Spider-Man's level.

When was the last time you picked up or read a Hulk comic?

Hulk wins.

Hulks faster than Spidey for sure but cmon, he's not on Superman or Wonder womans level of blitz or combat speed