Originally posted by relentless1
Hulks faster than Spidey for sure but cmon, he's not on Superman or Wonder womans level of blitz or combat speed
Nope. I wouldn't say that either but he was talking like Hulk is slow or something when they recently displayed his speed in crazy ways for someone that is suppose to be a walking brick.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They start 500m away
Not looking to argue Hulk vs Spider speed, though it is an interesting topic...
Originally posted by carver9
WTF. That's the entire point of the Hulk. His power thrives off of his anger and this applies to EVERY Hulk. His power is to be dynamic and him being angry doesn't mean he is receiving some type of outside amp. Then, EVERY Hulk has the ability to get angry...hell, anger is what triggers the Hulk so again. You taking his fts away from him is like taking his ability away from him. You might as well consider all of his threads a calm Hulk thread since you don't understand that his powerset is based off of his anger.WWH being angrier than ever doesn't change anything I'm saying. Him being angry just increased his POWERSET. No external amp was given, it was all based on HIS powerset. Superman sundipping is an external amp. Havok jumping in all star is an external amp. Someone powers being based off of their anger is an internal amp. It's their powerset. Do you not understand this? You clinging one ft to one Hulk is like you picking and choosing a powerset of the character when overall, his powerset is based off amping. Planet Hulk 'Hulk' was the same freaking Hulk that came to Earth angrier than ever. The only difference was, he was pissed. He fed off the same power source, his own. What's so hard to grasp here? Where does this stop? Does this also apply to Hyperion? Does this apply to Doomsday as well? The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. Does this apply to every character that powers thrives off of their emotions? What about Gladiator? If he starts the battle off at a calm mild confident state and stomps Thor, does that mean he would rip Thor in half if he is pissed? We need to do a separation here. Let's make a list off all the characters who powers thrive off their mental state and separate fts. I know this just doesn't apply to Hulk, huh? Do you want me to make the list? If so, can you apply when the fts for each character is valid or not?
No idea what this drivel is. Sure, let's make that list. Sentry. Oh wait, we do. WWH. Oh wait, we do. Lol.
Btw, carver, the reason why I said its an external amp is because the Hulk needs something to get angry at. He doesn't, for example, hit WWH levels because Spidey cracked an inappropriate joke. Or because a Frost Giant punched him. Or even because his AI disobeyed him. Or because he stubbed his toe. That's what I mean by it being external.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Dark, go to bed.I also ran that line of argument roughly 5-6 years ago.
Nobody on KMC is buying it.
Time difference, mate.
I (we) can run riot.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Doc Green doesn't revert to Banner by being calm it's a conscious choice. Just throwing that out there.
When he gets tired, he sleeps and reverts. And surely if you're going down the 'all Hulks are the same', what reverts Indestructible/Savage to Banner, reverts Doc (i.e. calming). But of course, Doc is different in this case, right?
Originally posted by riv6672
The Hulk seems to be letting Z do whatever she wants in 90% of everyone's arguments, so sure. ✅
Well, I'm one of the 90% - and the reason why I'm saying he DOES let her, is because he would not see her as a threat. A bargain basement Mysterio - illusions only. What would he fear from her? Until she busts out her spells.
Originally posted by krisblaze
^I think you're putting too much stake on that one scenario.It doesn't matter if the Hulk attacks her right away or tries a blitz. Her shields can take it, and she has a gazillion options.
Shh. That was plan 2. Once carver manages to convince me that somehow, Doc Green WOULD blitz and attempt to punch Z from the get go, then we can do some shields.
He's obv going to use Indestructible/Savage/Gray etc Hulk feats for Doc Green, which is...misguided, I think, but carver is nothing if not predictable. I mean, we could've gone the silly route of arguing that DCnU Z and DCU Z have the same powersets, and therefore, the same feats (with no amps etc), but carver would throw fits.
Riv, as OP, what do you think? Other Hulk feats admissible?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, I'm one of the 90% - and the reason why I'm saying he DOES let her, is because he would not see her as a threat. A bargain basement Mysterio - illusions only. What would he fear from her? Until she busts out her spells.
Originally posted by riv6672
No worries. At least you have reasoning (as usual), even if i disagree with it! 👆
Thanks. What's your take on use of feats from 'other' Hulks? Savage, Indestructible etc? Or did you just want feats from the guy wearing the nifty waistcoat and the so-in-the-moment haircut?
Originally posted by Star428
LOL@ Hulk being faster than Spider-Man.And no, Carver. I never said Hulk was "slow" but I've never known of him "blitzing" anyone. I certainly don't think he's fast enough to KO Zatanna before she says something backwards unless he's standing right next to her when fight starts.
He blitzed Ironman at blurring speeds. He blitzed some metas that was moving around at invisible super speed. You might want to pick up some of his books.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Btw, carver, the reason why I said its an external amp is because the Hulk needs something to get angry at. He doesn't, for example, hit WWH levels because Spidey cracked an inappropriate joke. Or because a Frost Giant punched him. Or even because his AI disobeyed him. Or because he stubbed his toe. That's what I mean by it being external.
Hulk starts off angry and that still doesn't take away from all of his fts belonging to him instead of it being pointed to specifics. Now please tell me all of the fts that belongs to each Sentry (not talking about Void either), Gladiator, Doomsday's, etc...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shh. That was plan 2. Once carver manages to convince me that somehow, Doc Green WOULD blitz and attempt to punch Z from the get go, then we can do some shields.He's obv going to use Indestructible/Savage/Gray etc Hulk feats for Doc Green, which is...misguided, I think, but carver is nothing if not predictable. I mean, we could've gone the silly route of arguing that DCnU Z and DCU Z have the same powersets, and therefore, the same feats (with no amps etc), but carver would throw fits.
Riv, as OP, what do you think? Other Hulk feats admissible?
DCU Z and DCNU Z are complete different characters. The Hulk is the same character that has done everything (main part here) under his OWN power. You might as well separate all of Savage Hulk fts since he's more angry at one point than he is at the beginning of the fight. You're entire argument is based off anger levels, isn't it?