Dooku, Maul and Ventress vs. HoT, Scourge and Zannah

All at their peak.

Neutral setting.

No amp/prep time.

Who wins?

Team 2. Preeetty easily.

Team 1 stomps. Zannah and Scourge are non factors. And HoT looses to either Dooku or Maul.

Team 1 rather easily, Scourge is cannon fodder and Zannah would either get killed in seconds by Dooku or stomped by Maul. Hero would get stomped by Dooku or Maul and lose to Ventress everytime. At least use decent EU characters like Revan or Malgus for the team to have a chance

How is someone who was Meetra's equal way before his prime cannon fodder?

Tell me when Scourge can hold his own against Anakin, Windu, Kenobi, Grievous, and other high tier duelists 👆. Scourge is all hype

Tell me when Ventress surpasses someone like Meetra Surik. 👆

Originally posted by Sinious
How is someone who was Meetra's equal way before his prime cannon fodder?

He wasn't.

Try again?

Interesting. How so?

The entire basis for that quote is a singular line of his opinion. This was the Sith lord, (Read: LORD) who thought he was worthy of a seat on the dark council.

Him thinking Surik would be a close fight honestly is proof she's superior, the guy was cocky as ****.

Failing that, you have to take into account the Surik he was judging was a non-prime version, on a Nexus that boosts him and dramatically hinders her... So Yeh.

TBF, Vitiate did offer Scourge a seat on the council during the book himself.

Which says nothing about his dueling skill 👆

Good try though Dmb

I never said it did say anything about his dueling skill or that I believed he and Meetra were equals.

I was merely pointing out that Scourge's belief that he was worthy of a seat on the Dark Council was not entirely unfounded.

I wasn't trying to prove anything as far as Meetra = Scourge goes.

Good try though carthage

Originally posted by Selenial
The entire basis for that quote is a singular line of his opinion. This was the Sith lord, (Read: LORD) who thought he was worthy of a seat on the dark council.

Hmm could it be cause he recently defeated a dark council member?

Him thinking Surik would be a close fight honestly is proof she's superior, the guy was cocky as ****.

On the contrary, he is oddly rational, open-minded and calm for a sith. If he was cocky, h wouldn't be so hesitant to face a dark council member when Nyriss asked him to.

Failing that, you have to take into account the Surik he was judging was a non-prime version, on a Nexus that boosts him and dramatically hinders her... So Yeh.

The non-prime thing is a mysterious issue. The novel doesn't mention her being weakened after KOTOR 2 iirc. Is there another source that states so? I'm inclined to concede if you have something good. Also, why is Revan impressed by her that much when he sees her on DK if she is "dramatically" hindered by the dark side? I'm not denying the nexus effect but you make it sound like there is proof of how much she was effected.

Nyriss being able to overwhelm her easily is quite natural. After all, KOTOR hyped the hidden sith a lot. A dark council member of the hidden sith empire who is amongst the best(perhaps second only to Emperor at that point) being superior to her isn't really surprising at all. Drew K. simply acknowledged the hype that was created in KOTOR. And Revan being way more powerful than Surik is also not a new thing. DarthAnt provided enough proof for it as we now know that KOTOR Revan could defeat The Exile version of Meetra and Darth Traya combined.

Scourge was permanently amped by Vitiate and spent 300 years killing 1000 sith and 100 jedi. And he was sent after force users that were powerful enough to get the Emperor's attention. So its not like he traveled the galaxy and killed random apprentices that had no significance. Calling him fodder in this matchup is lolsworthy.

Yeah, Scourge was even close to his prime either. 300 years + 2 amps? I'd back him over Meetra.

Well, I'm kind of in India right now so typing out massive replies seems kinda boring, maybe later.

I must admit your entire argument lost all credibility when you said Ant provided more than enough proof that Revan could take Traya + Surik, even he doesn't take those quotes remotely seriously.

Avellone is the guy who said Surik would cut Revan off from the force, but he'd just survive and regain connection after a while and win. Like... What?

Have a nice time in India, Sel.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
TBF, Vitiate did offer Scourge a seat on the council during the book himself.

Yes he was supposed to be offered a seat once Nyriss was dealt with. After he delivered Surik's head to him he made a new position due to his unprecedented loyalty/ potentially saving his life.

Dooku and Maul can take this alone, Ventress is over-kill.