Originally posted by beatboks
Trading blows would require one to actually connect, if a blow from BA actually hit Jay in that fight in that fight then Jay would have been sent flying. He wasnt and instead was pushing BA onto the defensive. Then Adam had to resort to a thunderclap (again proof that he couldn't have tagged him) to get Jay dealing with something else.In Black Reign BA is being attacked by several and has been pushed back into an outcropped rock. We clearly see it and we clearly see all Jays blitzes occur in a 90 degree arc access. His access was limited. Again I ask what does a taller guy (BA is always depicted as taller) swinging an arm in an area he knows hes going to be attacked from (because he has already been for several attacks that he failed to defend against) and hitting him prove?
We know that BA is no where nesr the speed of Jay. When Jay stole his speed to travel back to ancient Egypt BA was tapering off speed wise well below light speed (somewhere over hald light speed). We also saw in that issue that BA was well behind Jay when he actually took his speed to go superluminAl (BA was uncharacteristically depicted as half Jay'sJay's height to jndicate just how far behind he was). Yet we're supposed to believe that later in Black Reign when he was shown being struck in one panel by jay dozens of times with nothing more than throwing arms up in defense that the strike was more than the shere percentages favoring a swinging arm hitting someoen in reach in a 90 degree angle??
Jay speed stealing Adam is a valid tactic, but one that's ooc for a board fight.
Saying Adam was merely flailing his arms around at the same spot and randomly hit Jay seems like a stretch of logic, imo. Those speed blitz lines cover most of Adams body, and we don't know in what order they connected, and that backhand looks like a measured response to me. It doesn't prove they're the same speed, but it certainly proves he's not getting blitzed before he responds.
Bottom line is, we both agree Jay didn't dominate in either of those scans. Jays faster, but not fast enough to beat him down if he doesn't speed steal, seems to be your opinion too, so no idea what we're arguing about.
Anyways, Namor's nowhere near as fast as Adam, nor as durable, and should be in trouble here..
Originally posted by cdtm
Jay speed stealing Adam is a valid tactic, but one that's ooc for a board fight.Saying Adam was merely flailing his arms around at the same spot and randomly hit Jay seems like a stretch of logic, imo. Those speed blitz lines cover most of Adams body, and we don't know in what order they connected, and that backhand looks like a measured response to me. It doesn't prove they're the same speed, but it certainly proves he's not getting blitzed before he responds.
Bottom line is, we both agree Jay didn't dominate in either of those scans. Jays faster, but not fast enough to beat him down if he doesn't speed steal, seems to be your opinion too, so no idea what we're arguing about.
Anyways, Namor's nowhere near as fast as Adam, nor as durable, and should be in trouble here..
Speed steal is definitely out of character for Jay. Even though hes the only one beside Wally to have ever done it, when he did so to Superman he stated it fealt like cheating. So its definetely NOT a go to tactic for him, but something he has to be convinced to do.
Way I see in in the fight in the eary JSA run BA couldnt have hit Jay with any real force or it would have been over. Jay's speed force aura simply isnt enough to protect him from a blow from that powerful a character.
No Jay definitely did not dominate. The way I see it at best he can do is stalemate BA for a preiod. BA's durability is just too damn much for any character to "ddominate"
And year Namor isnt on BA'BA's level though based on classic showings against Thor and Hulk etc he can still make a fight on that level (of course so can Howkman who in Black reign lead ins fought BA for 7 pages before he took a runner. He can tank the damage just cant diah enough out without the claw)