Hercules vs. Annihilus

Originally posted by carver9
He took the CCR while having fear, not anger. He was running throughout that scene so any strength ramping up was gone by the time he was hit with the rod. That was a beastly durability showing for Hulk. The only person that took the rod head on like that to my recollection is Odin.

Anger isn't the only thing that can make the Hulk stronger, it's just one of a couple or few catalysts. It's the adrenaline that runs through him when he becomes excited that makes him stronger. Fear or anger would do it for him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You failed to mention Thor was at a somewhat depowered state during that run because of Loki. From about #398 - #413. His weakness manifested through bouts of nausea and dizziness from time to time. This was especially true when he exerted himself.

True Thor got dropped with one of the blasts, but he ate some including ones at point blank. Don't forget he was at a weakened state.

Point blank.
http://i.imgur.com/QSiExuI.jpg

Funny thing is Thor was eating energies from the cosmic rod at point blank range while blitzing Annihilus. In fact Thor was all over Anni and was basically overpowering him at that point.
http://i.imgur.com/T0e94Of.jpg

The idea that Thor didn't take direct blasts is false. He took them head on while weakened. He actually started to take it to another level and was all over Annihilus in the end.

Now in regards to Hulk... After reading that crappy turd of a story again, it was unclear if Hulk was fully ko'd, but Anni did have him reeling and basically defeated. As the comic alluded to had not Pip ported and distracted Anni with an explosive he stuck behind Anni's back, things could have really gone bad for Hulk. Pip's action gave Hulk time to recover for about a page then surprised Anni with a punch. Then Pip ports both of them out.

Do you have scans stating he was weakened? Also the first attack dropped Thor. The second attack fatigued him and the other doesn't even look like Annihilus is blasting him. Look like they are grappling.

Hulk took a full power blast from Annihilus that was ongoing and wasn't koed not once. Nothing was shown of Hulk being koed let alone dropped at any point and he withstood far more than Thor did in that comic and Hulk was probably weakened as well due to the fear thing.

Good points though. Just need the proof of him being weakened.

Originally posted by Stoic
Anger isn't the only thing that can make the Hulk stronger, it's just one of a couple or few catalysts. It's the adrenaline that runs through him when he becomes excited that makes him stronger. Fear or anger would do it for him.

Never seen fear do that to him. Nothing pointing to him being pumped during that instance imo.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He is, but Anni brought Hulk to the Negative Zone too. So in that aspect they were equal.

Yea im not contesting that just commenting on the scans carver posted

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's with you and scans, you will never be a good debater if you dont know the context behind an entire fight.

Thor was weakened, distracted by mongoose handling his friends on earth and had the upper hand before daddy stepped in. And he was fine afterwards....meh

Distracted from Mongoose? Didn't see a distraction during that fight. I know about this weakness, he suffered the same dizzy spells against Jugs but it was an on off thing. It wasn't something that was always active. He also suffered this when be fought She Hulk and Nova but again, it wasn't consistent, you can tell when he was suffering from it.

This isn't about afterwards this is about what happened during the comic.

Originally posted by carver9
Never seen fear do that to him. Nothing pointing to him being pumped during that instance imo.

It happened to him when he was in the crossroads. His excitement makes his adrenaline rush, and that's how he becomes stronger. rage is used most often, because the Hulk was never meant to be portrayed like Chicken Little.

Originally posted by carver9
Distracted from Mongoose? Didn't see a distraction during that fight. I know about this weakness, he suffered the same dizzy spells against Jugs but it was an on off thing. It wasn't something that was always active. He also suffered this when be fought She Hulk and Nova but again, it wasn't consistent, you can tell when he was suffering from it.

This isn't about afterwards this is about what happened during the comic.

Y was his hammer glowing carver

Originally posted by carver9
Distracted from Mongoose? Didn't see a distraction during that fight. I know about this weakness, he suffered the same dizzy spells against Jugs but it was an on off thing. It wasn't something that was always active. He also suffered this when be fought She Hulk and Nova but again, it wasn't consistent, you can tell when he was suffering from it.

This isn't about afterwards this is about what happened during the comic.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have scans stating he was weakened? Also the first attack dropped Thor. The second attack fatigued him and the other doesn't even look like Annihilus is blasting him. Look like they are grappling.

Hulk took a full power blast from Annihilus that was ongoing and wasn't koed not once. Nothing was shown of Hulk being koed let alone dropped at any point and he withstood far more than Thor did in that comic and Hulk was probably weakened as well due to the fear thing.

Good points though. Just need the proof of him being weakened.

By issue #409 Thor stated that the bouts of weakness and seizures happen with increasing frequency and that each new attack leaves him weaker. He was at a disadvantage against any and all foes he faced during that run.

And come on Carvster. Look at the scan again. Annihilus was releasing energy as Thor was blitzing him. It continues on in the next panel.

Annihilus had Hulk dead to rights, but Pip saved him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err... It happened versus Quicksand, Executioner and Enchantress, Annihilus, bank robbers....

Carver.. Was Thor operating at a disadvantage throughout the issues I pointed out? If the answer is yes then he wasn't operating at normal capacity. Period..

By issue #409 Thor stated that the bouts of weakness and seizures happen with increasing frequency and that each new attack leaves him weaker. He was at a disadvantage against any and all foes he faced during that run.

And come on Carvster. Look at the scan again. Annihilus was releasing energy as Thor was blitzing him. It continues on in the next panel.

Annihilus had Hulk dead to rights, but Pip saved him.

Anni was also a gamma spawn. I agree with the rest, but you can't compare the old Annihilus to the new buffed version.

Originally posted by Stoic
Anni was also a gamma spawn. I agree with the rest, but you can't compare the old Annihilus to the new buffed version.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah but that really has no bearing on the CCR blast other than Hulk having to tank Anni's hulk-buffed body along with CCR blast. If we bring that up, then we have to being up the fact that this Anni still had a juvenile body compared to his fully formed adult one vs Thor. That's the reason for him hijacking Hulk in the first place. Add to that Annihilus had already absorbed the godly life energies of many Asgardians before he faced off with Thor. So even though Hulk faced off against Annihulk, Thor faced off an amped Annihilus as well.

Like I said, I agree with everything that you said, but Annihilus has never been as physically imposing in terms of dominance, as he is right now. Go back and read what he says about his former carapace. That was the same one used during Annihilation. He isn't only as tough (defensively speaking) but he is far stronger than ever, when speaking of his past base levels. There is actually reason to believe that the carapace that he wore during his attack on Asgard wasn't just artist rendition, but that it was an actual inferior carapace to the one worn during Annihilation. I always thought that the new look was Andrea Devito's new take on how Anni should look, but now it appears to have been an upgrade (concerning his look during Annihilation)..

Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said, I agree with everything that you said, but Annihilus has never been as physically imposing in terms of dominance, as he is right now. Go back and read what he says about his former carapace. That was the same one used during Annihilation. He isn't only as tough (defensively speaking) but he is far stronger than ever, when speaking of his past base levels. There is actually reason to believe that the carapace that he wore during his attack on Asgard wasn't just artist rendition, but that it was an actual inferior carapace to the one worn during Annihilation. I always thought that the new look was Andrea Devito's new take on how Anni should look, but now it appears to have been an upgrade (concerning his look during Annihilation)..

His new form was the result of absorbing a combination of Hulks gamma rads and energies from the Cosmic Rod.

What i got from it was that Anni is easily above Hulk. No surprise here.

Herc would give him a good fight and 20 years ago would have beat him.But now Annihilus is just too powerful for Herc