ROTJ Vader and Sith Ulic vs FE Malgus and SoD Maul

Originally posted by carthage
He killed a Maul doppelgänger and has accolades of being one of the best Swordsmen in galactic history iirc. His barrier has also stopped a wall of blaster bolts and he's palmed a Lightsabers blade and absorbed blaster bolts in ESB. I'm loling @ the idea of Vader not being on par with Windu. You know the same guy that struggles with Saesee Tiin and struggled with Bulq, and for all of his almighty wank Maul who is near Vader as a duelist fought evenly with him.

Kit Fisto can do pretty much all that you mentioned, a Maul doppelganger is featless, unless you really think some random clone is as powerful as the original. Your low balling of Windu is what I find hilarious. He never struggled against Tiin or Bulq.

He was completely stonewalled by Tiin in their sparring match, he couldn't break his defense whereas he had no problem holding back against Vos. And no lol he had to try his best to fight Bulq at every point. I never lowballed Windu and I never even said he was inferior to Vader lol. Only that he is wanked beyond all belief on virtually every SW board.

Originally posted by AncientPower
His disabilities that became his strength, actually, read Rise of Darth Vader. Furthermore Vader is vastly stronger in TK, lifting and crushing an AT-AT. His Force defese is more than enough to block Force Lightning, TFU Vader was somewhat capable of absorbing much stronger lightning from Starkiller. ROTJ Vader is better in every way.

His lightsaber ability is beyond Mace Windu and Count Dooku, two far more skilled opponents than Malgus and two of the greatest ever.

Where the hell are people getting the idea that Malgus is Vader tier from?

I have and as I recall they didn't become his strength, he just got better at managing them. I fail to see how having shitty agility, mobility, a clunky robot body and armor and an obvious "f*ck-me" box in the middle of his chest can be turned into a strength. And no, Vader isn't vastly better in TK, though that's naughty of you to try and use canon and legend feats at once. I'd also seriously question Starkiller having stronger lightning. As in, I really doubt it.

I really doubt that assertion. Vader has had plenty of poor showings against random noobs. He's hardly some transcendental fighter.

Because he is?

^See Stark that's lowballing lmao

Also I thought Vader deflected Han's blaster bolts, not absorbed them? Also he had an indestructible talisman in his glove. It's kind of weird if he's able to absorb energy with his robot hand but can't use lightning because he has robot hands. If he can transfer energy one way, why not the the other?

Anyway siding Team 2 due to Maul being more than sufficient to stave off Vader, so Malgus can kill Ulic with telekinesis

Originally posted by carthage
He was completely stonewalled by Tiin in their sparring match, he couldn't break his defense whereas he had no problem holding back against Vos. And no lol he had to try his best to fight Bulq at every point. I never lowballed Windu and I never even said he was inferior to Vader lol. Only that he is wanked beyond all belief on virtually every SW board.

You have got to be kidding me. Its a spar, he wasn't going all out. The only people who've ever sparred with Windu and make him go all out are Yoda and Dooku. Or do you really think that Yoda goes all out when he spars with Padawans.

Of course he is, as should anyone who disarms Darth Sidious, considered to be second only to Yoda, and who invented his personal anti-Sith dueling technique.

I'm not going to continue a loop of asinine logic. I will however ask, what source you have that places Anakin over any interation of Darth Vader, because I have three off the top of my head that states completely the opposite.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You have got to be kidding me. Its a spar, he wasn't going all out. The only people who've ever sparred with Windu and make him go all out are Yoda and Dooku. Or do you really think that Yoda goes all out when he spars with Padawans.

Of course he is, as should anyone who disarms Darth Sidious, considered to be second only to Yoda, and who invented his personal anti-Sith dueling technique.

Kindly prove that he wasn't going "all out". Windu has no problems letting others know their faults in sparring matches like he held back against Quinlan Vos. Tiin is canonically one of the most skilled fighters produced by the Jedi order, and what? he lost to Dooku in his sparring matches and obviously that's reaching to compare him to Yoda. He openly admitted inferiority to Yoda.

He couldn't best Maul even with the backup of Aayla Secura (yeah, SOD Maul is slightly more skilled than in TPM), and Vader took multiple disabling blows and killed a replica of TPM Maul. That was before his prime in ROTJ.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm not going to continue a loop of asinine logic. I will however ask, what source you have that places Anakin over any interation of Darth Vader, because I have three off the top of my head that states completely the opposite.

Beating Count Dooku, constantly tooling Asajj Ventress, and fighting evenly with a superior version of Obi wan isn't enough?

Originally posted by carthage
I'm loling @ the idea of Vader not being on par with Windu. You know the same guy that struggles with Saesee Tiin and struggled with Bulq, and for all of his almighty wank Maul who is near Vader as a duelist fought evenly with him.

The Maul doppleganger was playing with Vader for the healthiest part of that fight, and I'm not sure why I need to keep explaining this to people. It should be apparent from just reading the comic, even if you know Maul half as well as someone like me does. It wasn't an even fight at all.

Vader's strongest claim to skill is being able to take his ANH feats and then use his "became far more skilled by ESB" accolade to bump him up. That puts him at RotS Kenobi's level for me, at most.

Or you can take all of his previous feats, including Anakin's and then powerscale those by about 40-50% and we have ROTJ Vader.

Based on what?

Three statements in time-line succession of him being more powerful than ever.

**** you ILS always lowballing Vader, its making me ****ing sick

I'm ****ing done. Are you mad Maul can't crush ATTs?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader also has disadvantages that impede his abilities. So even if he has a stronger knowledge of lightsaber forms, can you say for certain he'd be better at implementing them given his disabilities?

Yes I can say for absolute certainty

Originally posted by carthage
**** you ILS always lowballing Vader, its making me ****ing sick

I'm ****ing done. Are you mad Maul can't crush ATTs?

Originally posted by ILS
At least the cyborgs I'm a fan of can still run faster than 5mph

Well vader has been known to match and defeat faster and more agile opponents and can actually match the speeds in short burst and it's not like malgus is insanely fast I don't get why this is a debate vader owns these two individually and possibly as a team add ulic apprentice of exar kun and team vader wins without much effort

Originally posted by carthage
Vader has moved fast enough to appear to teleport, dodged fire from AT walkers, moved fast enough to appear out of thin air, blitzed jedi, and moved fast enough to appear in 3 places at once.

Sidious's personal assessment is that Malgus's battlefield feats have never been duplicated.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus has formed shields out of his blade, moved in blurs, etc. Vader is well past that. And no Malgus has excellent TK feats, but Vader's is on another level from his and among the best in the mythos. He is more skilled and would beat him in any duel.

Vader's top TK showings are not enough to stop Malgus.

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Originally posted by carthage
Vader took multiple disabling blows and killed a replica of TPM Maul. That was before his prime in ROTJ.

Yeah, just like Kenobi killed him in TPM, just like Vos killed Bulq. And just like the Mountain killed the Viper during their fight.
It's their fault that they lowered their's guards, but before that all of them have shown their superiority over their enemies.

I would assume, that this clone of Maul > ANH Vader after all.