3 Cin Dralligs vs Atton Rand, Canderous, and HK-47

This is all semantics, but if he's a "swordmaster," that doesn't necessarily mean he's a master of fighting with swords, does it?

I mean, you can have Phil Jackson be the "zenmaster of basketball," but he can't go out on the court and beat NBA players at their own game. He's a teacher.

So maybe Cin is the same way? Perhaps he has full understanding of every form and can teach them, but isn't exactly the greatest of fighters himself?

Like sure, he's got the technical stuff down pat, which is why Gillard gives him a high rating. But maybe he just isn't used to actual combat. He never fought in any battles during the Clone Wars, did he? IIRC, he was basically head of security of the Jedi Temple the entire time.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yet Cin also in the above panel of the book on the same page, is noted as the Jedi Swordmaster. There's no mention of Ti and she never fought Anakin.

Sorry man, but I believe Stark over you. Nothing personal. I'm pretty sure Shaak Ti did fight Anakin as well so that doesn't help.

Cin is noted as one of the best lightsaber duelists in the order, he certainly is one of the best fighters to be sure.

Sure he was Temple security, but that doesn't mean he can't fight.

Also yes, it does mean he's a master with a lightsaber...that's kind of a given.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sorry man, but I believe Stark over you. Nothing personal. I'm pretty sure Shaak Ti did fight Anakin as well so that doesn't help.

She didn't, there's no source saying she did.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Cin is noted as one of the best lightsaber duelists in the order, he certainly is one of the best fighters to be sure.

Sure he was Temple security, but that doesn't mean he can't fight.

Also yes, it does mean he's a master with a lightsaber...that's kind of a given.

Of course, but I'm saying is he a master of "fighting" with a saber. You can be a great martial artist, but be terrible in a real fight. And you can be a great head of security, and still be pretty crappy at actually providing security yourself.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Of course, but I'm saying is he a master of "fighting" with a saber. You can be a great martial artist, but be terrible in a real fight. And you can be a great head of security, and still be pretty crappy at actually providing security yourself.

Considering that Battlemasters are noted to be the most physically dangerous of all the Jedi, them being some of the most deadliest individuals in the galaxy and where Cin stands among the Jedi and recieving praise from the likes of Dooku.

Yeah...why wouldn't he be a master of fighting? You're acting as if just because he hasn't shown to fight other than against Vader, that he wouldn't even be able to best a Padawan or Youngling in a fight.

Again just because Anakin stomped him, doesn't mean it's a slight against him. If you really wanna go into it, Cin actually gave Anakin a hard fight in the ROTS game. showing his prowess.

At any rate, I don't think this would be much an issue for the battle at hand.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Considering that Battlemasters are noted to be the most physically dangerous of all the Jedi, them being some of the most deadliest individuals in the galaxy and where Cin stands among the Jedi and recieving praise from the likes of Dooku.

Yeah...why wouldn't he be a master of fighting? You're acting as if just because he hasn't shown to fight other than against Vader, that he wouldn't even be able to best a Padawan or Youngling in a fight.

Again just because Anakin stomped him, doesn't mean it's a slight against him. If you really wanna go into it, Cin actually gave Anakin a hard fight in the ROTS game. showing his prowess.

At any rate, I don't think this would be much an issue for the battle at hand.

Haha, I replayed that Cin battle a bunch of times before I even saw the movie. I thought he'd play a big role in the temple invasion. Boy was I disappointed. That game also spoiled the Sidious scene for me...I was waiting for a big Anakin vs Mace fight 😆

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yet Cin also in the above panel of the book on the same page, is noted as the Jedi Swordmaster. There's no mention of Ti and she never fought Anakin.

You sure about that? I'm 90% sure that the swordmaster part is under Shaak Ti and Stass Allie's profile. I do recall Drallig being on that page though I'll give you that. I don't have the book with me at school though :-/

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You sure about that? I'm 90% sure that the swordmaster part is under Shaak Ti and Stass Allie's profile. I do recall Drallig being on that page though I'll give you that. I don't have the book with me at school though :-/

It is under Shaak and Allie, but just because it is, doesn't mean it was referring to Ti. Plus...it didn't even mention Allie or Ti at all in the paragraph.

There is a second source which repeated that Drallig was the best Jedi present at the temple, but I can't remember what it's called. Hoping that rings a bell with someone.

The "source" for years/months for Shaak Ti fighting Anakin was the TFU databank. As it turned out, it said nothing about Ti fighting Anakin. Just that she managed and led the temple's defence. There have been some very wacky interpretations of the quote, people going as far as to say Ti had a prolonged fight with Anakin, but the reality is, as far as that source, and any others go, to my knowledge, Ti didn't clash blades with Anakin during Operation Knightfall.

I think even without explicit mention of Drallig being the best swordsmen in the temple at the time (again, I'm sure it is said somewhere), we can deduce with what we already have well enough - the wording from the visual dictionary "swordmaster" being used to reference both Drallig and the best swordsman in the temple suggests it's referring to Drallig, and not some other miscellaneous swordmaster that was present. Then there's the fact Drallig out of all of the Jedi present, was marked as a priority target solely because of his lightsaber skill. Ti was present in the temple, and Anakin was aware of this, yet Drallig was the priority. Pretty telling.

Conclusion: Drallig was the best Jedi in the temple at the time, better than Shaak Ti, and Ti didn't ever cross blades with Anakin in that instance. You can accuse me of hating Shaak Ti all you want, that's the conclusion I've come to based on what I've seen and found.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It is under Shaak and Allie, but just because it is, doesn't mean it was referring to Ti. Plus...it didn't even mention Allie or Ti at all in the paragraph.

...so we are to assume it mentions the obscure blurry hologram in the right hand corner of the page instead of the two HD Jedi Masters in the center of the page. Especially when it's positioned RIGHT UNDER those pictures? Dude come on now.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
...so we are to assume it mentions the obscure blurry hologram in the right hand corner of the page instead of the two HD Jedi Masters in the center of the page. Especially when it's positioned RIGHT UNDER those pictures? Dude come on now.

Yeah...because why not? All evidence points to Cin being the greater swordsman than anyone out of the whole Temple during the attack.

Why do you think he was marked a priority threat by Vader to be eliminated?

Also Ti isn't a noted Swordmaster, she's an expert with a blade to be sure but no Swordmaster.

Plus on that same page, it does mention Cin as the Swordmaster in the bit next to the picture of him against Anakin.

Didn't Anakin interrogate a Jedi guarding the Temple's entrance for the whereabouts of Ti? If that's the case then she was obviously a priority target.

Hey Zen can you post a scan of the page?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nothing personal. I'm pretty sure Shaak Ti did fight Anakin as well so that doesn't help.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
It doesn't really matter how long the clash lasted. The point is that his lost to Anakin is a feat for Anakin not a negative for Drallig. Malgus cut down Kao Cen Darach in around the same time once he was bloodlusted, and thats far before his peak.

Drallig's loss to Anakin certainly represents a feat/accomplishment for Anakin but we don't have a clue about Drallig's prowess apart from hype. We need more then the hype for Drallig to determine his standing in the grand scheme of things.

Darach had had a massive fight prior to Malgus's anger-oriented charge; the latter was able to fuel his power with anger. Also, Malgus was already among the greatest warriors of the Empire at that time (so he wasn't a rookiee or something and statements such as "far before his peak" are baseless). Malgus was already a seasoned warrior, young, physically strong and perfect, and was able to utilize his immense raw power effectively.

Aside from Malgus's power and experience, their is ample on-screen evidence of Darach's amazing dueling ability and impressive raw power.

I am not doubting Drallig's capability in combat but he is no Darach.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Didn't Anakin interrogate a Jedi guarding the Temple's entrance for the whereabouts of Ti? If that's the case then she was obviously a priority target.

Or he could have been pissed at her when she pretty much flat out said, he was useless when Anakin wanted to go help Mace saying and I quote.

"Anakin, these masters are the best in the Order. What could you possible do?"

Translating to..

"Lol you're a noob and worthless..."

Plus no where is it said that Ti was marked as a threat.

Also sure Ares.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Also sure Ares.

Thanks Zen. That's clearly not a bio and "Temple's finest swordmaster" could refer to, well, anyone at the temple at the time. However, the fact that Drallig is shown battling Vader and is called a swordmaster on that very same page makes me inclined it is referring to him.

Zenwolf is right, peeps. The quote is referring to Drallig, and Shaak Ti never fought Anakin.

I guess Shaak Ti sucks now.