Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Blue Marvel- Anti-Man, Sentry, King Hyperion2) Wonder Man- Hulk, Namor, Thor and The Avengers themselves. Thor had to charge up Mjolnir for one final strike to put Simon down.
3) Hyperion- Casually stomping The Hulk works for me.
When did Hyperion casually stomp the Hulk?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) Blue Marvel- Anti-Man, Sentry, King Hyperion2) Wonder Man- Hulk, Namor, Thor and The Avengers themselves. Thor had to charge up Mjolnir for one final strike to put Simon down.
3) Hyperion- Casually stomping The Hulk works for me.
BM was tailor made to beat Anti Man and that tactic won't work against Thor. He flash koed Sentry, Thor has done the same. King Hyperion wouldn't beat Thor.
Wonder man loses far more than he wins against Hulk. Lol Namor.
Originally posted by carver9
Were you able to get that email address or twitter acct for Hickman?
Yeah his twitter account is here.
As far as I can tell though he hasn't revealed his email address.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you read that wrong. Probably need to reread it.
No, I did not.
In fact, the subtext that Hickman provided is even more telling of how soundly Hyperion defeated Hulk.
The Hulk was so overwhelmed by the sheer power of Hyperion's punches that he feared for his life. Seeking a way out, he subconciously willed Banner to regain control so Hyperion would stop his onslaught.
Hickman himself would approve of this appraisal of the fight. 😎
Originally posted by carver9
How could we take any of your post serious when you think Surfer could beat Superman 10/10. We don't debate off of powerset here my friend.
Uh, as opposed to someone saying Hulk can beat Thor? Taking me seriously is the least of your problems.
If we don't debate powersets that is fine, as long as it is acknowledged that the person is gaining victory merely because their opponent just plum forgets their powers. So skill, power? Irrelevant, just cross your fingers your opponent fights like a dipsh*t because hey we don't debate power sets. We apparently do debate how things would go down in a comic, even though literally anything could happen in a comic. Spider-Man beat down Firelord in a comic.
But hey, we don't argue power sets, instead we just argue the characters will act like morons. Which is somehow better because..reasons?
😂 you're amazing LOB.
Anyways. If anyone wants to know the real reason why Hulk reverted, here it is.
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With some amazing assistance from Thor, the young lady we see there lost control of Hulk which allowed the transformation from Hulk to Banner. Before this, even while sleep, Hulk couldn't revert back to Banner (when she had control) as shown when he was sleep moments after his fight with Thor. Pretty sure a lot of you already knew this which is the reason it isn't brought up on the forum.
Originally posted by Surtur
Uh, as opposed to someone saying Hulk can beat Thor? Taking me seriously is the least of your problems.If we don't debate powersets that is fine, as long as it is acknowledged that the person is gaining victory merely because their opponent just plum forgets their powers.
Because Hulk has consistently been shown he can pull wins against Thor. This isn't hard to grasp if you've read and seen their showings.
It's not forgetting their abilities, it's acknowledging their own panel showings. Not ignoring it and making up fairy tale ways of fights. An example of this is someone punching thousands of times in the blink of an eye when they have not done that yet. That's not the only key though. We have to look at average showings and weigh in the highs. This will prevent Thor from one shotting everyone below trans tier with a chaos king blast or Hulk walking around with adamantium hard skin and reverse time punching strength, and Flash fighting all of his battles in an attosecond. You should know these things.
Originally posted by carver9
Because Hulk has consistently been shown he can pull wins against Thor. This isn't hard to grasp if you've read and seen their showings.It's not forgetting their abilities, it's acknowledging their own panel showings. Not ignoring it and making up fairy tale ways of fight. And example of this is someone punching thousands of times in the blink of an eye when they have not done that yet. That's not the only key though. We have to look at average showings and weigh in the highs. This will prevent Thor from one shorting everyone below trans tier with a chaos king blast or Hulk walking around with adamantium hard skin and reverse time punching strength, and Flash fighting all of his battles in an attosecond. You should know these things.
Yeah, nope. Thor can dimension dump people. Explain how Hulk gets around this power. No, do not say "Thor never dimension dumped Hulk in a comic". He's shown he has the capability.
You talk about Hulk consistently pulling "wins" against Thor, but you fail to mention the ever important detail of: these victories usually happen because Thor fights like a moron and doesn't utilize the vast versatility of his hammer to put this creature down.
Or ignore dimension dumping: Thor can fly, Hulk totally can't. Explain why Thor would decide to physically engage Hulk or allow him to leap at him and hit him? "It happened in a comic!" is not valid. Explain why, when not being hampered down by the plot, Thor would just go let himself get the sh*t kicked out of him despite knowing he has the power to EASILY prevent it.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, nope. Thor can dimension dump people. Explain how Hulk gets around this power. No, do not say "Thor never dimension dumped Hulk in a comic". He's shown he has the capability.
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True, he can dimension dump. With that said, since we know he can react to everyone on the DC squad, he dimension dumps all of them (well, the ones that can't teleport) 10/10. But let's cling to high showings or debate off of powerset if you will. Let's use your professional wah of debating. Dimension dumping has already been tried, and it failed because Hulk goes where he wants to go.
Powerset for the win.
Are...are you insane? Or just trolling? You posted a feat that shows dimension dumping might not succeed. Which is how debates should work. Yet you say it like you just..got one over on me by..using actual valid evidence to support your argument, instead of silly nonsense?
It's like DAMN you sure showed me..by actually backing up your argument? Well okay, by all means CONTINUE to back up the things you say in a valid way, that is not going to bother me.
Originally posted by Surtur
Are...are you insane? Or just trolling? You posted a feat that shows dimension dumping might not succeed. Which is how debates should work. Yet you say it like you just..got one over on me by..using actual valid evidence to support your argument, instead of silly nonsense?
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Even with that scan, it will still work. I can post 10 scans of everything you said can be used against Hulk and showing him overcoming it but that doesn't mean that it's a consistent showing for the character. I also don't understand why you have Thor fighting like Firestorm or Silver Surfer. That's not him. That is completely out of character for him. He isn't going to fly out of space spamming blast because that isn't what he does. Surfer isn't going to turn a planet into kryptonite while fighting Superman. If we debated primarily off of powerset, a lot of these threads wouldn't last long at all. Hell, Surfer would stomp Darkseid and Doomsday at the same time based off everything he's done. Do you believe that as well? You did say Surfer would stomp Supes 10/10.
Originally posted by carver9
😂Even with that scan, it will still work. I can post 10 scans of everything you said can be used against Hulk and showing him overcoming it but that doesn't mean that it's a consistent showing for the character. I also don't understand why you have Thor fighting like Firestorm or Silver Surfer. That's not him. That is completely out of character for him. He isn't going to fly out of space spamming blast because that isn't what he does. Surfer isn't going to turn a planet into kryptonite while fighting Superman. If we debated primarily off of powerset, a lot of these threads wouldn't last long at all. Hell, Surfer would stomp Darkseid and Doomsday at the same time based off everything he's done. Do you believe that as well? You did say Surfer would stomp Supes 10/10.
Uh the problem is, you act like debating off powersets is some horrible thing. If the alternative is saying Hulk can beat Thor then I'm sorry pal, the powerset debating is by FAR the lesser of two evils here. It is by no means perfect, but if it prevents people from uttering nonsense like "Hulk could beat a competent Thor" then..yeah, it's worth it.
Likewise, if you're saying these things would be out of character for Thor. Okay, but then that doesn't tell me much about how powerful and skilled Hulk is. All it tells me is that Hulk can beat a version of Thor whose had half his brain removed and who lacks any semblance of common sense. To which I am in agreement with you: Thor fighting stupid loses to Hulk 10 times out of 10. Hell he loses to Hulk 11 times out of 10 if he's fighting stupid.
