Converging Thoughts

Originally posted by ares834
And none of this contradicts what I’ve said.

Originally posted by ares834
By preventing CoIE they effectively created (or reset if you prefer) the rest of the multiverse.

Originally posted by ares834
the Darkseid War references all the past crises including CoIE. So Mobius and Metatron still remember the Crisis happening the way it happened in the comic.

Originally posted by Astner
It does. It either reset the multiverse—like the comic said—or created a new one, it can't be both.

By resetting the multiverse they are effectively recreating the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Astner
Can I get the source for that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Metron/Anti-Monitor (1/2):

...Even Johns regards the previous Crisis-events as canon. 👆

Are you sure that took place after Convergence?

Presumably. It's from a comic called Divergence and is about setting up/previwing stories that come out after Convergence.

^ The scene is actually from Justice League #40.

Anyway, the events of Futures End(which was a direct tie-in/precursor to Convergence) are set 5 years in DC's future. That said, until in-universe time catches up to that point, the crescendo of COIE should remain intact/unretconned... Time-travel paradoxes and all that. 🤓

Either way, different writers will always interpret things differently. I have no doubt that we'll see some wildly different takes on the happenings of Convergence in issues to come... /shrug

Originally posted by ODG
No it wasn't. NO IT WASN'T.

Yes it was!

Is it safe to assume that there is an infinite mutliverse again rather than just 52 worlds? And if so, even if the primary worlds are "evolved" into their New 52 counterparts, does that suggest that there's probably another one just like it out there somewhere?

Yes, In Convergence #8 we reference Multiversity and show you some of the Post-Convergence worlds that make up the reconstituted DC Multiverse. In many ways, the number of Worlds is now infinite. There may even be more than one Multiverse.

http://comicbook.com/2015/05/27/decoding-convergence-with-jeff-king-the-finale/

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yes it was!

Originally posted by Golgo13
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/27/decoding-convergence-with-jeff-king-the-finale/

Plus, in Multiversity it was hinted when someone said, "Local Multiverse".

Looks like they'll be delving more into alternate characters in July with Justice League United.

http://www.newsarama.com/24648-spoilers-justice-league-united-sneak-peek-reveals-wildly-untraditional-new-focus.html

^ And the fact that, you know, The Empty Hand had already destroyed at least one other Multiverse, and was well in process of destroying another. Multiple Multiverses.

Originally posted by ares834
It's time travel. They created an alternate multiverse where CoIE didn't happen.

i gotta admit, that's the way i interpreted it too....

whatta phukcing sh!tshow this series was. how could they have painted brainiac out to be this huge....thing, then just have him....ask for help at the end? 😑

the more i think on this series, the worse headache i get. i gotta agree--this just may be the WORST event ever published. at least some of the others named were not so highly publicized, nor did they have near the expectations and expected RAMIFICATIONS of this one. basically it seems to me that dc has now opened...every door it has EVER had opened. that in itself is NOT a bad thing imo, but holy f*** they made a mess the way they did it.

that said--anyone looking forward to the darkseid war....?

I'm looking forward to Darkseid War--Johns' typically excels at these types of stories.

Frankly, DC pretty much has to consistently deliver stellar events from now on, if they're going to save face.

Originally posted by basilisk
"I will send you off-panel. You will completely f*** up the entire DC multiverse. Then this entire horrible 'event' will be over and maybe everything can go back to the way it was before I started this whole mess."

Braniac: "Hai gaiz, ty for getting me outta dat sh1tty ball D1ckmos trapped me in. Plz halp me make dis entire sh1tty event go away by jumpin off-panel for 3 pages and we cans pretend dis nvr happend."

That is literally what happened.

👆

Wasn't Brainiac trapped by the efforts of Mr. Terrific and Ray Palmer?

Yes. Happened in Futures End #44.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ The scene is actually from Justice League #40.

Anyway, the events of Futures End(which was a direct tie-in/precursor to Convergence) are set [b]5 years in DC's future. That said, until in-universe time catches up to that point, the crescendo of COIE should remain intact/unretconned... Time-travel paradoxes and all that. 🤓

Either way, different writers will always interpret things differently. I have no doubt that we'll see some wildly different takes on the happenings of Convergence in issues to come... /shrug [/B]

My bad. But yeah, agreed.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm looking forward to Darkseid War--Johns' typically excels at these types of stories.

Frankly, DC pretty much has to consistently deliver stellar events from now on, if they're going to save face.

Eh... One or two shitty events won't ruin the company.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh... One or two shitty events won't ruin the company.

That alone should count for at least 5 shitty events, IMO. 👆

i agree, though i guess we'll have to wait until bran does a summary of the event to find out for sure what happened to the COIE. 👆