Yoda vs. Count Dooku/Darth Malgus

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well it can be used mid combat as Sidious displayed against Maul and Savage. I doubt Dooku's force powers are > Maul and Savage's combined. Yoda also displayed great power over Ventress who was in combat range.

I agree distance doesn't seem to mean much, which is actually pretty cool in terms of Canon force abilities.

Bottom line Yoda had two fights against Dooku and didn't even attempt to try TK despite the fact that it would be easiest solution to take down Dooku, there is absolutely no reason to assume Yoda would be able to handle Dooku with TK even in 1 on 1 fight.

Team likely wins round 2, given Yoda's mind set and him more than likely not wanting to kill Dooku which can cause problems with Malgus to back the Count up.
But Yoda can take round 1.

Well, these fights are usually sabers/force/all out, right?

Yoda's fights against Dooku were generally sabers...and then some force where Yoda doesn't even bother attacking. Yoda never makes an offensive TK move on Genosis. He just absorbs the lightning and pushes Dooku's attacks away. Almost...like he was holding back, compared to the Sidious battle in the Senate room.

Originally posted by Arhael
Distance doesn't mean anything apparently. And Dooku wasn't trying to defend Sidious' choke nor was ready. I don't think Yoda will be able to do anything to Dooku with TK in the midst of combat, Dooku has better TK feats than Yoda.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
What?

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well, these fights are usually sabers/force/all out, right?

Yoda's fights against Dooku were generally sabers...and then some force where Yoda doesn't even bother attacking. Yoda never makes an offensive TK move on Genosis. He just absorbs the lightning and pushes Dooku's attacks away. Almost...like he was holding back, compared to the Sidious battle in the Senate room.

Originally posted by Arhael
Yoda has never demonstrated TK use mid combat like Sidious, both Sidious and Dooku are plain more skillful in offensive use of TK and have feats to back it up unlike Yoda.

I doubt that given how Yoda dealt with Ventress. He caught her off guard the first time, but he then let her go, and then she tried attacking him with her Sabers, but he simply pulled them away from her and into his own hands. He did all this really casually as well. So casually in fact that he felt no threat at all in giving her lightsabers back.

Compare that to Dooku vs Ventress.

So I'd say Yoda is most definitely more skilled and powerful than Dooku in the force. And given his pretty much stalemate against Sidious in their Force contest, and neither gaining a decisive advantage (until Yoda fell off the senate pod), I'd say Yoda must at least be close to Sidious in that department as well.

Originally posted by Arhael

Argument that Yoda held back is stupid, lightsaber is far more lethal than TK on any day and Yoda went full whirlwind on Dooku with lightsaber.

Of course his tactics could completely change when fighting 2 Lethal opponents like this.

Jedi Philosophy compels Yoda to use minimum force necessary. But yeah...against two lethal opponents, he'll go all out, as if fighting Sidious. Yoda is about on par with ROTS Sidious, as demonstrated by...what I'd call a draw in the Senate chamber, mostly.

So...as a side point, could ROTS Sidious take both of these guys? Can Caedus? If Yes, then Yoda probably can too, by virtue of power scaling.

He sent Sidious flying and returned senate pods to Sidious mid combat

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I doubt that given how Yoda dealt with Ventress. He caught her off guard the first time, but he then let her go, and then she tried attacking him with her Sabers, but he simply pulled them away from her and into his own hands. He did all this really casually as well. So casually in fact that he felt no threat at all in giving her lightsabers back.

Compare that to Dooku vs Ventress.

So I'd say Yoda is most definitely more skilled and powerful than Dooku in the force. And given his pretty much stalemate against Sidious in their Force contest, and neither gaining a decisive advantage (until Yoda fell off the senate pod), I'd say Yoda must at least be close to Sidious in that department as well.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Jedi Philosophy compels Yoda to use minimum force necessary. But yeah...against two lethal opponents, he'll go all out, as if fighting Sidious. Yoda is about on par with ROTS Sidious, as demonstrated by...what I'd call a draw in the Senate chamber, mostly.

So...as a side point, could ROTS Sidious take both of these guys? Can Caedus? If Yes, then Yoda probably can too, by virtue of power scaling.

Originally posted by carthage
He sent Sidious flying and returned senate pods to Sidious mid combat

Yoda is hinted to be a superior saber master to RotS Sidious (junior novelization and RotS script have him disarming Sidious). I believe it is by a slim margin, but still speaks volumes about Yoda's saber prowess and potenially places him as one of the top 3 saber masters in the whole mythos.

Yoda is also a comparable force-user. He can trade blows with Sidious and match his FL barehanded. TBH neither Malgus nor Dooku can dish out more damage than Yoda can take.

Yoda takes this.

Originally posted by Arhael
Yoda has never demonstrated TK use mid combat like Sidious, both Sidious and Dooku are plain more skillful in offensive use of TK and have feats to back it up unlike Yoda. Dooku doesn't need to have better TK than Maul and Opress combined, Sidious used TK on them in such a way that they failed to block it, it was about skill, not power.

Bottom line Yoda had two fights against Dooku and didn't even attempt to try TK despite the fact that it would be easiest solution to take down Dooku, there is absolutely no reason to assume Yoda would be able to handle Dooku with TK even in 1 on 1 fight.

This may about be the dumbest post I've read on these boards in a while.

You DID NOT just say that Dooku has better TK than Yoda. Bro Yoda's entire philosophy is not using the force for attack. He only does so in extreme measures i.e. fighting the most powerful dark lord of all times. Also lol, Yoda had no interest in killing Dooku.

Not to mention Yoda TK'ing Sidious, senate pods, landing crafts and small armies. Even in the movie canon Yoda has the best TK feat--lifting the X-wing 😛

Yoda is a TK beast TBH.

Originally posted by Stigma
Not to mention Yoda TK'ing Sidious, senate pods, landing crafts and small armies. Even in the movie canon Yoda has the best TK feat--lifting the X-wing 😛

Yoda is a TK beast TBH.

This. 👆

IDK Dooku did reasonably well against Yoda in AOTC, and unless Yoda held back in the novelization of the film I see no reason Dooku couldn't match his success.

I actually believe the team would take this fight, but I completely agree Yoda has better TK than Dooku.

Originally posted by carthage
IDK Dooku did reasonably well against Yoda in AOTC, and unless Yoda held back in the novelization of the film I see no reason Dooku couldn't match his success.

Oh Dooku put up a decent Saber fight no doubt. I just think if Yoda went all out with the Force from the get go then the fight would be a lot more one sided, and a lot shorter. But then again the same could be said about Sidious vs Windu.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh Dooku put up a decent Saber fight no doubt. I just think if Yoda went all out with the Force from the get go then the fight would be a lot more one sided, and a lot shorter. But then again the same could be said about Sidious vs Windu.

Hard to say if he would or not given Jedi morals. Obviously he's more than capable of dominating either with telekinesis. But he didn't do so in AOTC so I doubt he would opt for that in an initial engagement with Dooku, while Malgus acts as interference with TK or lightning

The only chance the team has is if Yoda doesn't go all out on them right away and give Malgus a chance to charge up a maelstrom from behind while he duels Dooku.

Yoda cannot possibly win 2. The only way he wins 1 is if it is an area he can capitalize on his powerful force advantage. Count and Malgus win more than not, but that's not to say Yoda doesn't take a good number of fights.

Round 1: Yoda can take this just fine. He has to go for the win and not screw around though.

Round 2: A bit closer, and I'd lean towards the team, but Yoda can still win.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]I doubt that given how Yoda dealt with Ventress. He caught her off guard the first time, but he then let her go, and then she tried attacking him with her Sabers, but he simply pulled them away from her and into his own hands. He did all this really casually as well. So casually in fact that he felt no threat at all in giving her lightsabers back.

Also, Yoda faced earlier version of Ventress. Dooku fought Ventress later on in the series after Sidious noted that Ventress grew in power by that point, she was so good that she even managed to choke both Anakin and Kenobi simultaneously. And still after short saber fight with her Dooku pulled her lightsabers out of her hands with TK and then started Force chocking her and blasting with lightning.

He sent Sidious flying and returned senate pods to Sidious mid combat

2. It does not prove anything. With same success I can give example of how Ahsoka TKed Ventress across a room.