Yoda vs. Count Dooku/Darth Malgus

Originally posted by Arhael
It makes all the more reason that Yoda would do the same to Dooku, if he could. The only explanation he didn't is because he couldn't.

Also, Yoda faced earlier version of Ventress. Dooku fought Ventress later on in the series after Sidious noted that Ventress grew in power by that point, she was so good that she even managed to choke both Anakin and Kenobi simultaneously. And still after short saber fight with her Dooku pulled her lightsabers out of her hands with TK and then started Force chocking her and blasting with lightning.

Surely Yoda can Force Push Dooku though. Yoda force pushed Sidious, after which Sidious tried to run away. So I'm betting Yoda's force push is a lot harder than Dooku's force push. So that factors into an All-Out fight.

It already takes everything Dooku has just to defend against Yoda's Saber onslaught. Start adding in Tk attacks and Yoda should win comfortably Imo.

Same goes for Sidious vs Mace Imho.

The Ventress which Yoda Force Owned was no joke. She was still capable of fighting off Anakin and Obi-Wan. And it's not like Dooku could just freeze either of those 2 in AOTC.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Surely Yoda can Force Push Dooku though. Yoda force pushed Sidious, after which Sidious tried to run away. So I'm betting Yoda's force push is a lot harder than Dooku's force push. So that factors into an All-Out fight.

It already takes everything Dooku has just to defend against Yoda's Saber onslaught. Start adding in Tk attacks and Yoda should win comfortably Imo.

Same goes for Sidious vs Mace Imho.

The Ventress which Yoda Force Owned was no joke. She was still capable of fighting off Anakin and Obi-Wan. And it's not like Dooku could just freeze either of those 2 in AOTC.

Anyway. My opinion is that a character prefers certain combat tactics because they are most effective. Yoda preferred saber against Dooku because it is the most effective way to take him down. I don't accept implication that Yoda is stupid to choose not try to Force handle Dooku, when the whole war outcome is at stakes, unless he simply can't.

Originally posted by Arhael

Anyway. My opinion is that a character prefers certain combat tactics because they are most effective. Yoda preferred saber against Dooku because it is the most effective way to take him down. I don't accept implication that Yoda is stupid to choose not try to Force handle Dooku, when the whole war outcome is at stakes, unless he simply can't.

True, it would be retarded to let Dooku escape, and also true that Dooku is a Force beast.

But problem is when Yoda didn't even attempt to Tk Dooku in the Force fight then it's hard to just make assumptions from that. Dooku was relentlessly attacking Yoda with the Force, and all Yoda did was defend himself that whole time. Perhaps Yoda just thought he'll attack Dooku if he tries to escape. Or perhaps Yoda was just assessing how Powerful Dooku is now- "Powerful you have become Dooku... The Dark Side I sense in you."

So there's more than one possible explanation. And it's not necessarily a case of "he didn't because he couldn't."

As for Force pushes during a Saber fight, it happens a lot. Maul force pushed Kenobi in their final Saber fight in TPM. Dooku force pushed Kenobi in ROTS Mid-Saber fight. The Inquisitor has force pushed Kanan more than once. Sidious force pushed Maul mid-Saber fight.

So it's a common thing for Force pushes to happen mid-Saber fight. And given Yoda and Dooku's Saber fight only lasted 30 seconds it's way too speculative to say there's no way Yoda could land a few Force pushes had the fight carried on. Of course Dooku could land a Force push as well but Yoda's will be more powerful.

Several sources claim Yoda is a match for Palpatine in power, but this is one of the more controversial areas because different sources disagree on the matter.

The AotC fight is also disagreed upon by sources. Some of them depict Yoda battering away at Tyranus's defenses, but the Count still manages to hold his own. In others, Yoda holds back, merely defending himself, yet for all his efforts Dooku can't bypass Yoda's defenses and get to his ship. In the comic, Dooku attacks with everything he has, but he merely tires himself in that failed assault. Then again, the comic did portray things a little more differently and according to the original script (ie. Dooku dual-wielding briefly).

Yoda's pretty clearly well above Dooku in Force power, though two sources claim that Yoda couldn't defeat Dooku in the Force, lol. That being said, just as many sources put Yoda on par with Palpatine, who would annihilate Dooku with the Force.

Yoda might not even want to kill or seriously harm Dooku. He approaches the whole thing rather like a kindly parent with an erring child. He lets the child rant and rave and throw things, calmly deflects it all, and waits for them to come home.

Sadly, Dooku didn't come home.

Team in round 2. Not sure about 1.

Yoda very solidly and for very, very obvious reasons.

I guess it would be a waste of time to go over the fallacies and line of logic that's always used in Yoda threads. They'd only get repeated again in his next thread. However, if we are going to use such logic with Yoda then it applies to all jedi, therefore we shouldn't have jedi vs jedi threads anymore. Obviously a jedi isn't going to hurt or kill one of their members. Yep, that's it, some jedi have even shown to hold back against their members in order to allow the member to keep pace, so basically jedi vs jedi threads should be a discussion on how their sparring matches may turn out.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Several sources claim Yoda is a match for Palpatine in power, but this is one of the more controversial areas because different sources disagree on the matter.

The AotC fight is also disagreed upon by sources. Some of them depict Yoda battering away at Tyranus's defenses, but the Count still manages to hold his own. In others, Yoda holds back, merely defending himself, yet for all his efforts Dooku can't bypass Yoda's defenses and get to his ship. In the comic, Dooku attacks with everything he has, but he merely tires himself in that failed assault. Then again, the comic did portray things a little more differently and according to the original script (ie. Dooku dual-wielding briefly).

Yoda's pretty clearly well above Dooku in Force power, though two sources claim that Yoda couldn't defeat Dooku in the Force, lol. That being said, just as many sources put Yoda on par with Palpatine, who would annihilate Dooku with the Force.

Retconned imo. The AOTCs novel states that Dooku's lightning was absorbed 'far from easily' by Yoda but in the new databank it states Yoda "easily absorbed his Force lightning attack".

I was actually referring to the junior novel, but yeah.