Vitiate vs. Revan and HoT

If Revan went up, and H.O.T. stayed the same, then since apparently H.O.T. wasn't that far behind Vitiate himself, considering he defeated him (albeit while he was weakened, but regardless, he was still beaten). That woukd mean Revan would be on Vitiate level.

Because, as of 3.0, Revan is on a whole tier above H.O.T.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Revan returns and travels to a very iconic Yavin IV to go to battle and release the actual Emperor, one we thought who was defeated not long ago. The player is pulled into this struggle of two of the most powerful Force users, like ever, in the history of the Old Republic, if not beyond - Revan and the Emperor."
--Head Writer of BioWare, 4/18/2015

Concession accepted, Nephbae. Note that by Old Republic, he means the era itself. Like, he says Naga Sadow as a character from the Old Republic and the like.

Concession about what? What am I supposed to be seeing here?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
If Revan went up, and H.O.T. stayed the same, then since apparently H.O.T. wasn't that far behind Vitiate himself, considering he defeated him (albeit while he was weakened, but regardless, he was still beaten). That woukd mean Revan would be on Vitiate level.

The HoT did get better in SoR, by dealing with their past trauma and recovering the memories of her servitude to Vitiate and his training. Before then she was still infected by his darkness, afterwards she was whole.

We already knew Vitiate and Revan were two of the most powerful characters of their era.

That new quote's nothing, lol. I think we can stop overblowing it.

Exactly. I don't understand what people are excited for. Its just more of Ant jumping the gun.

What was the debate about, anyway? lol

I think he was just trying to prove Revan is better than the Hero of Tython. Not as part of any specific debate. Earlier in the thread though we were arguing over who Vitiate hates more and sees as a bigger threat, Revan or the HoT.

Did you think the Knight > Revan or something?

Yes.

Not in Force, but probably a match for Revan in blades.

Hey Nova.
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The quote implies Revan is on the same playing field as Vitiate, and that the player character is getting pulled into events bigger than them. 👆

That... sure is an interpretation!

It's not if you watch the stream and see how it is presented verbally.
Even people like Selenial admit they present Revan on Vitiate's playing field.

You're both right and wrong. The quote implies but does not require parity between the two parties.

Debatable considering how they presented the content said afterwards.

I'll get you a link and see what you think, Temp. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's not if you watch the stream and see how it is presented verbally.
Even people like Selenial admit they present Revan on Vitiate's playing field.

But.... the whole expansion is about how Revan isn't in Vitiate's league and he's insane to think that he is. 😬

Feel free.

But unlike either of you, I've no dog in this fight and my skills with respect to interpretation are generally beyond reproach. The excerpt you provided does indeed imply parity between Vitiate and Revan but does not require it. If there exists no evidence to the contrary, I see no reason why we can't assume that they are comparable. But since we apparently do have evidence to the contrary, I'm not sure how we can.

In the views of the player character, than Revan gives his speech on how he is so powerful and pretty much destroys the team for majority of the fight.

I'm not saying they are equals or anything of that matter - they obviously aren't - I mean that Revan could have maybe challenged him in battle.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Feel free.

Revan himself is on your side dude. 😬

If there was a chance they could kill him, his lightside would be helping him to do that and getting the player to fight Vitiate with Revan. Instead Darth Revan is obviously nuts and needs to be stopped.