Darth Malgus vs. Count Dooku

Dooku pressing Yoda with Lightning and then Deflecting his own Lightning when Yoda sent it back at him could very well match Malgus's feat of wrecking the Jedi in Deceived.

Though the feat where Malgus staggers the Strike Team with Lightning in TOR is definitely not something Dooku has replicated.

@Arhael,

Why is it not his style to toss around opponents? He ragdolled 2 Jedi I know. He is very direct with his force attacks and "unpredictable" is not a word I would use for him.

On the other hand, Malgus definitely has a more unorthodox usage of the force. Where Dooku is a classic TK/lightning sith, Malgus has additional force attacks like maelstrom and scream.

And while Dooku is clearly the superior duelist, I doubt it will give him the victory since Malgus is good enough to hold his ground and even use Dooku's disadvantage of lacking against duelists with great strength to push him back.

He's ragdolled Ventress as well. He makes pretty liberal usage of the Force.

Dooku's disadvantage versus strength is overblown. It taxes his reserves, not drastically undermines his dueling technique.

I didn't say it gives Malgus the victory but it would make it harder for Dooku to make up for his inferiority in the force.

I didn't say anything about you claiming it gave Malgus the victory.

His inferiority in the Force isn't too great - he's also faster and more skilled, which is generally the most important of all edges.

You're basically saying that dueling is more important than the force which is something I disagree with tbh.

I don't take Dooku's fight with Yoda seriously and other than that, he hasn't done anything to put him above Malgus.

1. It is in most scenarios, particularly if the fighters tend to duel. Malgus does sometimes abuse the Force, so it could be particularly disruptive for Tyranus's fighting style, but probably not utterly game-changing. Could it be game-changing alongside his strength edge? Possibly - that's what should be argued.

2. In terms of Force? I agree. But Tyranus has a pretty noticeable skill edge, and Dooku's fight with Yoda is to be taken seriously regarding some of its elements.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. It is in most scenarios, particularly if the fighters tend to duel. Malgus does sometimes abuse the Force, so it could be particularly disruptive for Tyranus's fighting style, but probably not utterly game-changing.

It depends. In Malgus' era, jedi/sith focused more on power than skill where in Dooku's era it is the opposite.

Could it be game-changing alongside his strength edge? Possibly - that's what should be argued.

That was my argument in the first place.

2. In terms of Force? I agree. But Tyranus has a pretty noticeable skill edge, and Dooku's fight with Yoda is to be taken seriously regarding some of its elements.

Yoda managed to disarm Sidious, who utterly humiliated Maul and Savage at the same time. Sidious would have an easier time with Dooku so I don't see how Yoda couldn't trash him given his other feats.

1. There were blademasters in Malgus's era too.

2. I know. I'm saying it's debatable.

3. In some sources, Sidious fights Yoda to a draw - just as Sidious matches Yoda in the Force in some sources, but flat-out overpowers him in others.

Originally posted by carthage
How is he more unpredictable? Do you think Dooku can toss around haracters like Wrath/Nox/Hero/and Barsenthor? Or

He sure can defeat advanced swordsman with ease. Coughsorabulqcoughasajjventresscoughanakinskywalker cough.

Yoda never took out multiple sith or Jedi at one time yet he is way better than Malgus.

1. That doesn't contradict with what I said.

2. I don't deny its a close fight so I'll respect it if you disagree with it.

3. So? They're clearly on the same tier as duelists which is enough to support my claim.

1. There were some who focused on power, others on combat skill.

2. Fair enough.

3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.

Originally posted by Sinious
Round 1: Dooku
Round 2: Malgus
Round 3: Malgus

Originally posted by Sinious
@Arhael,
Why is it not his style to toss around opponents? He ragdolled 2 Jedi I know. He is very direct with his force attacks and "unpredictable" is not a word I would use for him.

Originally posted by SunRazer
3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. There were some who focused on power, others on combat skill.

2. Fair enough.

3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.

1. Again, doesn't contradict with what I said. Both eras obviously had force users that focused on each but it is clear that TOR found power more important and PT Jedi were focusing on skill more than power.

Imo, TOR Sith being very capable in the force made the Jedi adapt and become alike where in PT the jedi were so skilled with the lightsaber that the Sith had to improve them selves to keep up even though they didn't care for dueling as much. Being very powerful in the force and very skilled in dueling at the same time is one of the major reasons of why there are so many RoT Sith in higher tiers.

3. Exactly

Originally posted by Arhael
In RotS Dooku's Force push and choke were unpredictable enough for Kenobi to even attempt to block it. Kenobi demonstrated that, when ready, he can put up a block even against Anakin's TK. Of course there are cases, where Dooku used Force attacks without an element of surprise too.

I doubt that was possible purely cause of unpredictability tbh. Dooku's force feats far exceed Kenobi's so I'm not surprised that he was able to TK him that easily. But even if it was, Malgus did something similar to a far more powerful opposition and I really doubt this would give Dooku any advantages.

This is a great fight in every category.

1. Dooku
2. Malgus
3. Malgus

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku pressing Yoda with Lightning and then Deflecting his own Lightning when Yoda sent it back at him could very well match Malgus's feat of wrecking the Jedi in Deceived.

Though the feat where Malgus staggers the Strike Team with Lightning in TOR is definitely not something Dooku has replicated.

When did Dooku press Yoda with lightning?

Originally posted by Sinious
I doubt that was possible purely cause of unpredictability tbh. Dooku's force feats far exceed Kenobi's so I'm not surprised that he was able to TK him that easily. But even if it was, Malgus did something similar to a far more powerful opposition and I really doubt this would give Dooku any advantages.

In AotC Kenobi blocked Dooku's lightning without any seeming effort. In last TCW fight Kenobi blocked Dooku's TK as well. Clearly Dooku cannot simply Force handle him when he chooses to, there needs to be an opening for that.