Black suspect dies after Baltimore cops break his spine in ‘brutal’ police beating:

Originally posted by SayWhat
Gray had a lengthy arrest record with convictions dating back until at least 2007, according to the Maryland Department of Justice. Not all of the arrests led to convictions, in many of the cases he pleaded guilty to one charge while the others were dropped.

Details of when he spent time in prison were not immediately available. His arrest record includes at least 18 arrests:

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

How was he not in jail for 10 years..

I don't think many people are suggesting Gray wasn't a scumbag. As has been said many times, it's irrelevant because if the police did murder him it was a completely unlawful killing. Criminals are still human so it still counts as murder.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Does anyone realize that the police are just another arm of the liberal government problem in America?

Anytime there is a death of a suspect by police, it really does need to be an automatic charge of at least manslaughter in some degree or homicide to a major degree. If they are innocent the police that is, a jury of 12 will not convict. It is the fighting of any charge that bothers me more than anything else, that somehow the police are above the law to ever be charged.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'll go ahead and accept your concession little man.

I hope you learned a valuable lesson of what your limits are. 👆

That was a question. Do you find it odd that some poor people are desperate enough to steal? Yes or no, and if yes, why?

Yes, because looting/stealing is a criminal offense and no one should be dumb enough to do it.
Unless you want to die a violent death for resisting arrests from the feds, like these thugs did.

All you need to do is put morality over instincts.
Do the right thing. Work your ass out if you need money.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That was a question. Do you find it odd that some poor people are desperate enough to steal? Yes or no, and if yes, why?

Second of all, no, you said,"So it is an anomaly that poor people are desperate enough to steal? LOL". "So" means "in a manner or way indicated or suggested", which is another way of saying "this is what you believe". That you capped your "question" off with LOL indicates that you weren't actually interested in what I thought. You already made up your mind about it.

But to humor you, no I do not. I also don't find it at all odd that there is institutionalized racism within the United States. I guess that means the problem doesn't matter. 👆

edit: I should probably also specify that my own subjective emotional reaction to both the looting and the institutionalized racism and violence against black people in America is exactly equal. Which is to say it's basically zero. Neither bother me that much. 👆

Originally posted by SayWhat
Nationwide protests over idiots like Trayvon, MB and now Freddie.

All fine upright citizens, NOT!!

Martin was not an idiot. As far as Gray and Brown go, it isn't their life, it's the circumstances of their death that caused outrage.

That being stated, IMO, now that the Baltimore cops are facing murder charges, and I personally believe Wilson's shooting of Brown, while legally ambiguous, was understandable considering Brown's incredibly dumbass and violent behavior, only Martin and Eric Garner went unvindicated.

Incidentally enough, the two cases that went most unpunished are the ones which caused no riots, only peaceful protests. The reason for this, the point I'm trying to make, is that the riot-inducing incidents occurred in areas with large populations of poor blacks, whereas the locations of Martin and Garners death occurred in areas of much higher prosperity, and thus no rioting, only protesting occurred. Thus the rioting is not a black problem, but a poor problem. Now if we are going to shift this into a discussion about how to solve poverty, philosophers have been wondering for years. But that's not the issue of relevance right now.

Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all, the question isn't relevant. Why would I give your red herring the time of day? It's not relevant because, regardless of whether or not it is "odd", that does not imply that it isn't a "big deal".

Second of all, no, you said,"So it is an anomaly that poor people are desperate enough to steal? LOL". "So" means "in a manner or way indicated or suggested", which is another way of saying "this is what you believe". That you capped your "question" off with LOL indicates that you weren't actually interested in what I thought. You already made up your mind about it.

But to humor you, no I do not. I also don't find it at all odd that there is institutionalized racism within the United States. I guess that means the problem doesn't matter. 👆

edit: I should probably also specify that my own subjective emotional reaction to both the looting and the institutionalized racism and violence against black people in America is exactly equal. Which is to say it's basically zero. Neither bother me that much. 👆

I see. You lack the empathy to fully objectively comprehend the situation. My bad. Thought we were going to have a meaningful conversation, but that's a nope. Just as I said before, you're attacking me because what I say takes you outside of your comfort zone.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think many people are suggesting Gray wasn't a scumbag. As has been said many times, it's irrelevant because if the police did murder him it was a completely unlawful killing. Criminals are still human so it still counts as murder.

I guess I was confused because basically all these police brutality cases have been the fault of corrupt [b]local police with too little federal oversight. [/B]

Local police are an extension of local government which is an extension of federal government, government is government. I can see from your response though, you favor more government oversight and big brother watching out for us.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Local police are an extension of local government which is an extension of federal government, government is government. I can see from your response though, you favor more government oversight and big brother watching out for us.

You're talking about a hypothetical scenario where the Federal Government becomes a sinister "boot on your neck," whereas I'm talking about an actual situation where local police have their boots on the necks of the people they're supposed to protect and serve.

Increasing the power of the central government is exactly what our forefathers wanted to ensure never happened. It's an extremely bad idea.. Central government should have less power. Not more. While individual states are the ones that should have more.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Increasing centralization tends to lead to less corrupt, more accountable law enforcement. There would be less police brutality if local police forces weren't run as boys clubs with a culture of impunity.

You're talking about a hypothetical scenario where the Federal Government becomes a sinister "boot on your neck," whereas I'm talking about an [b]actual situation where local police have their boots on the necks of the people they're supposed to protect and serve. [/B]

Did you forget that the framers of the constitution wanted to limit the powers of the central government. So what you are saying is:

"The founders and framers of the constitution wanted it this way, but hey they had no clue what they are doing, and we need more power to the central government, even though this was exactly what they were afraid of."

Where did you get the idea that a ll powerful central government was a great thing even though they were very specific in limiting their powers in the beginning?

Why do people act like the founding fathers were omniscient?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why do people act like the founding fathers were omniscient?

George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and John Hancock were Free Mason's, so they kinda are..

Originally posted by Lestov16
I see. You lack the empathy to fully objectively comprehend the situation. My bad. Thought we were going to have a meaningful conversation, but that's a nope. Just as I said before, you're attacking me because what I say takes you outside of your comfort zone.

Though you bash my lack of empathy, isn't it you who explicitly doesn't give a shit about the homes and livelihoods of innocent people being looted and burned? mmm

You care about the issue of institutionalized racism, but not the issue of the looting, likely because the former actually impacts you in some way as a black person. So you have empathy for one side, but not the other? I may lack empathy for both sides, but at least I'm not a hypocrite. 👆

Furthermore, though neither issue really bothers me personally, I feel no need to downplay the problems themselves despite my lack of personal empathy towards them. Why do you?

What comfort zone is that, little Lestov? Do you even know? Tell me: what have you said that takes me out of my comfort zone? Is it the idea that institutional racism against blacks exist within America? Because I'm aware of that. Is it that people in poverty tend to have less opportunities to avoid a life of crime? Because I'm aware of that too.

The only person outside of their comfort zone is you. 👆

Originally posted by SayWhat
Nationwide protests over idiots like Trayvon, MB and now Freddie.

All fine upright citizens, NOT!!

@Nemebro People loot during hurricanes. Some people will capitalize on a chaotic situation. I feel sorry for the people who are victimized as a result of these sad situations but the real fault lies in a corrupted system that could care less about morals or integrity. If the police of the town are murderers why would you expect the civilians to behave like saints?

If civilians are acting like criminals why would you expect the police to act like saints?

It's kind of a silly cycle. That people are too stupid to realize the consequences of their actions doesn't justify them.

Originally posted by The MISTER

@Nemebro People loot during hurricanes. Some people will capitalize on a chaotic situation. I feel sorry for the people who are victimized as a result of these sad situations but the real fault lies in a corrupted system that could care less about morals or integrity. If the police of the town are murderers why would you expect the civilians to behave like saints?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If civilians are acting like criminals why would you expect the police to act like saints?

It's kind of a silly cycle. That people are too stupid to realize the consequences of their actions doesn't justify them.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If civilians are acting like criminals why would you expect the police to act like saints?

Lol because it's their job