She's really not, and even if she was, combat wise she doesn't come close.
Beth's "one shot" of Luke was a spell. Talzin's Attack on Dooku was far more impressive. Her killing of the Stormtroopers is an impressive feat, but it was a telepathic Attack (judging by the way the Troops acted before they died) which would have nothing on Talzin TP'ing Dooku.
Talzin has also shown a force barrier capable of holding back Dooku and Sidious at once, while she was weakened. Please explain what Gethzerion would do with Sidious calibre Lightning thrown her way, because that's how she's going to die.
Originally posted by Selenial
She's really not, and even if she was, combat wise she doesn't come close.Beth's "one shot" of Luke was a spell. Talzin's Attack on Dooku was far more impressive. Her killing of the Stormtroopers is an impressive feat, but it was a telepathic Attack (judging by the way the Troops acted before they died) which would have nothing on Talzin TP'ing Dooku.
How is a spell that you can use in combat less impressive than a spell you need a cauldron for? And how is murdering a hundred people with your mind less impressive than possessing Dooku?
Originally posted by Nephthys
How is a spell that you can use in combat less impressive than a spell you need a cauldron for? And how is murdering a hundred people with your mind less impressive than possessing Dooku?
Except she obviously didn't manage to kill Luke, and Talzin was torturing him. Since she could have flat out killed Dooku with Drain, I don't think that particularly matters. Noting of course that Dooku would have been a far harder target than Luke.
And I just don't find it as impressive. Force users have far greater defenses. I don't personally see why Gethzerion's stormtrooper feat is better than Talzin's "dazzling force illusion".
Care to explain?
That she didn't kill Luke is irrelevant, she whooped his ass using a technique that's actually relevant to a fight, unlike Talzin's voodoo bs. Unless she has her cauldron it's pointless to mention imo. And the whole episode was a race against time until Dooku expired from the spell, so I highly doubt Talzin could have killed him at any point. Also I'm not convinced that Dooku > Luke.
That doesn't mean that its a hundred times easier to kill a normal person as it is to possess Dooku. Killing a hundred dudes is also much more combat applicable than possessing someone, especially since we don't actually know that Dooku could have put up any kind of defense. And I'm not sure Gethzerion used telepathy at all. But if it is, then yeah I think killing a hundred people with telepathy is better than possessing Dooku. By quite a lot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That she didn't kill Luke is irrelevant, she whooped his ass using a technique that's actually relevant to a fight, unlike Talzin's voodoo bs. Unless she has her cauldron it's pointless to mention imo. And the whole episode was a race against time until Dooku expired from the spell, so I highly doubt Talzin could have killed him at any point. Also I'm not convinced that Dooku > Luke.That doesn't mean that its a hundred times easier to kill a normal person as it is to possess Dooku. Killing a hundred dudes is also much more combat applicable than possessing someone, especially since we don't actually know that Dooku could have put up any kind of defense. And I'm not sure Gethzerion used telepathy at all. But if it is, then yeah I think killing a hundred people with telepathy is better than possessing Dooku. By quite a lot.
It's perfectly relevant. Dooku would have a far better resistance to force attacks than Luke, and Talzin explicitly states to him that she wants to make him suffer before she kills him.
No, it's probably even more. Besides, TP'ing 100 stormtroopers is completely different to TP'ing someone powerful. Talzin has good telepathic defense, obviously, since Dooku is adept in Telepathy and could not resist her. If you think she can TP kill Talzin, it's frankly unsubstantiated bias.
Draining Dooku to death is still more important, and far more applicable than her destruction of the stormies.
If you want to compare their power, the only real thing they've done the same is creating storms. Of which Talzin's reached hurricane speeds, tore trees from their roots and cast a torrential rain in minutes...
I'm going with Team 1. I'm assuming this is "prime" Vitiate (3.0) and if that's the case Vitiate >> RoTS Sidious. For the other two i'm thinking that it would be a stalemate until Vitiate can squash Gethzerion. How I think it would go is Vitiate and Sidious would probably open with a clash of FL, which I'm inclined to say Viti would win. Then probably TK or something, where I'm also thinking Vitiate. If it comes to sorcery and such then Vitiate will swat Sidious, but otherwise it would be a pretty good fight. For Talzin vs Gethzerion I'm thinking Talzin will throw up her green sphere of protectyness and then follow up with her ba af lightning beamy thing and stuff, to which Gethzerion would probably have some form of defense, or will counter with FL and such. I'm not sure where it would go after that but it would probably be a stalemate up until Vitiate can come and stomp Gethzerion.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm really surprised to hear that.
*shrug*
Sidious would beat him in an actual fight, but I don't know, Vitiate feels more tailored to a force cast off.
Not saying he's stronger in the force, but Sidious' insane abilities in Speed/Valor etc aren't exactly going to come into play. I guess you people just assume i have some mad Sidious Bias, when he's honestly pretty low down on my list of favorite characters. Boring AF tbh.
Originally posted by SelenialSidious would beat him in an actual fight, but I don't know, Vitiate feels more tailored to a force cast off.
That's what I think too.
Not saying he's stronger in the force, but Sidious' insane abilities in Speed/Valor etc aren't exactly going to come into play. I guess you people just assume i have some mad Sidious Bias, when he's honestly pretty low down on my list of favorite characters. Boring AF tbh.
I don't mind your Sidious bias pumpkin. I was just surprised to see you place Vitiate so highly.
Explanations as to why Geth beats Talzin. No one has come up with a legitimate reason yet. I suggest y'all read: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/aurbere/blog/mother-talzin-respect-thread/103955/
Read it, Gethzerion can still win. She has higher levels of speed and just seems more powerful based on some of the effects she causes just by getting angry, which I've never seen happen with Talzin.
Then there's her hundred-and-one demolishing feat, which beats out any feat Talzin has to offer, including contending with Sidious. It's a close fight, I have no doubt of that, but Gethzerion comes out the victor, if only just.
Not sure how on earth killing one hundred Stormtroopers beats stalemating the greatest force lightning Wielder in history. She destroyed a dozen droids with her lightning effortlessly, and her bubble showed no sign of weakness against them or against the Lightning.
Talzin's Storm showings are superior, so Thats wrong.
Unless I'm reading this wrong, your argument is basically Gethzerion because reasons? Ok.
Talzins seriously underestimated here.
Like, a hundred StormTroopers. Cool.
Sidious said the entire droid army would fail to take Talzin down. 😕