Vitiate and Talzin vs ROTS Sidious and Gethzerion

Sidious has only killed comparable amounts of Stormtroopers with Lightning after a dramatic increase in power following Talzin's death. And even after improving he feared Gethzerion's power.

And Canon doesn't acknowledge Legends, so Sidious's Lightning isn't as impressive. EU Sidious would spank her in the Force.

Talzin's Storm showings aren't more impressive at all - Gethzerion causes them through sheer anger, and she's displayed far more intricacy with them. Talzin's ability to manipulate mists is interesting but doesn't make her Storms more impressive.

That's because the droids can't take down Talzin's essence form, but she can't do anything back. Gethzerion is stated to possess countless spells from the Nightsister Book of Shadows, but even if none of the spells there can do anything to Talzin's essence, Talzin can't do anything back and it's either Talzin dying or running away as an essence, in which case Gethzerion and Sidious force Vitiate to bow down to them.

Originally posted by Selenial
It's perfectly relevant. Dooku would have a far better resistance to force attacks than Luke, and Talzin explicitly states to him that she wants to make him suffer before she kills him.

No, it's probably even more. Besides, TP'ing 100 stormtroopers is completely different to TP'ing someone powerful. Talzin has good telepathic defense, obviously, since Dooku is adept in Telepathy and could not resist her. If you think she can TP kill Talzin, it's frankly unsubstantiated bias.

Draining Dooku to death is still more important, and far more applicable than her destruction of the stormies.

If you want to compare their power, the only real thing they've done the same is creating storms. Of which Talzin's reached hurricane speeds, tore trees from their roots and cast a torrential rain in minutes...

I'm not sure Dooku has any resistance to Nightsister magic. Wheras TK is pretty simple to defend against. And if Talzin was really drawing it out, then she's an utter idiot because Grievous was slaughtering her people to get to her in time. Regardless there's no indication she actually could have one-shot him like Gethzerion did to Luke and it's still not applicable to combat.

No-one else has ever TP'd that many people to death that I know about. It's pretty unprecedented (which is why I think its more likely she TK'd their brains or something) And there's no real indication that TP had any relevance on Talzin possessing him. Nightsister magic doesn't translate directly into Force powers like that.

How is it applicable at all? Unless she's actually going to try to possess Gethzerion I don't think it'll have any bearing on the fight. Is she even in her spirit body here? I doubt it.

And Gethzerion's lightning was powerful enough to create magma. She's not bad herself.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure Dooku has any resistance to Nightsister magic. Wheras TK is pretty simple to defend against. And if Talzin was really drawing it out, then she's an utter idiot because Grievous was slaughtering her people to get to her in time. Regardless there's no indication she actually could have one-shot him like Gethzerion did to Luke and it's still not applicable to combat.

No-one else has ever TP'd that many people to death that I know about. It's pretty unprecedented (which is why I think its more likely she TK'd their brains or something) And there's no real indication that TP had any relevance on Talzin possessing him. Nightsister magic doesn't translate directly into Force powers like that.

How is it applicable at all? Unless she's actually going to try to possess Gethzerion I don't think it'll have any bearing on the fight. Is she even in her spirit body here? I doubt it.

And Gethzerion's lightning was powerful enough to create magma. She's not bad herself.

Seeing as she directly says she's going to make it as painful as possible, and the only way he'd make it quick is to withdraw his armies, I think she could kill him. You really think Grievous would retreat upon hearing of Dooku's death?

I'm loving the double standards in saying that Talzin's Magic can't be used to gauge power but Geth's can. Pretty hilarious tbh.

Talzin's is better, still, by a lot.

You think Talzin cares? Didn't you say she could have solo'd Grievous' army?

Geth used quantifiable attacks in a quick, combat applicable manner, instead of Talzin's voodoo bs.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You think Talzin cares? Didn't you say she could have solo'd Grievous' army?

Geth used quantifiable attacks in a quick, combat applicable manner, instead of Talzin's voodoo bs.

No, that she wouldn't be killed by his army. There's a difference, your comprehension skills need work.

They're expressly called spells in text. They're also all witnessed from POV, she could have been gathering energies or drawing from talismans for all we know, the characters just didn't know. So to say Talzins is unquantifiable while wanking Geth is laughable.

I knew that, but you'd said it like it was a combat feat for her so I wanted you to admit it. 😛

Thats just speculation. Sorry that I pay attention to combat techniques instead of rituals for the purpose of combat. Poor form.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I knew that, but you'd said it like it was a combat feat for her so I wanted you to admit it. 😛

Thats just speculation. Sorry that I pay attention to combat techniques instead of rituals for the purpose of combat. Poor form.

Lol. Do I really have to find the hundreds of quotes of you wanting Vitiate's dark council feat, or Natheema feat, just to laugh at you? The point is her killing of Dooku was an immensely better display than Geth's attack on Luke. The Stormtroopers feat is good, but Talzin's done better, ie her force illusions, contention with Sidious, effortlessly killing battle droids while maintaining an impenetrable barrier etc.

Lol, ok.

You can look for those quotes of Vitiates dark council or Natheema feat if you want, but you won't find them. Outside of prep time I've never tried to use them. And nope, Geths feat is still better. Talzin needed prep to be able to do that, she can't use it on Geth in this fight so it's irrelevant.

I never said Gethzerion wins, I just questioned your choice of feats. Talzin's Sidious fight probably indicates that she wins. Just not the Dooku ones.