Originally posted by Nephthys
We already knew he does have BM. Try harder yourself. 👆
Direct me to any quote that says Palpatine ever led a fleet, because if you can't find any you just conceded.
There are many that say he rarely left his Imperial Palace or his shrines, and that quote itself is talking about how he affects the empire from afar.
So yeh, source or concession.
Originally posted by Selenial
Direct me to any quote that says Palpatine ever led a fleet, because if you can't find any you just conceded.There are many that say he rarely left his Imperial Palace or his shrines, and that quote itself is talking about how he affects the empire from afar.
So yeh, source or concession.
The quote itself is non-specific of how often he does those things. He can rarely leave his palace and still do those things a few times. Nor does he have personally lead a fleet to do it. Nor does he need to do it all over the galaxy at once. Perhaps he just has long range and can do it for specific single battles. Also who says that's referring to BM? Perhaps he's using a sorcerous ritual ala Sithisis or controlling his commanders minds via telepathy. The fact is that your interpretation of that quote is absolutely ridiculous and frankly should just be laughed out of the thread as the utterly absurd fanwank that it is. How it's actually been widely perpetuated is completely beyond me.
And it says nothing about it needing to be afar. Also isn't there actually a novel coming out about Sidious personally going to quash a rebellion?
Now why don't you tell me why Sidious would need another person to use Battle Meditation in the most important battle of the Empire if he can do it much better himself constantly without needing to meditate? DO this or submit forever because that's how debates work.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The quote itself is non-specific of how often he does those things. He can rarely leave his palace and still do those things a few times. Nor does he have personally lead a fleet to do it. Nor does he need to do it all over the galaxy at once. Perhaps he just has long range and can do it for specific single battles. Also who says that's referring to BM? Perhaps he's using a sorcerous ritual ala Sithisis or controlling his commanders minds via telepathy. The fact is that your interpretation of that quote is absolutely ridiculous and frankly should just be laughed out of the thread as the utterly absurd fanwank that it is. How it's actually been widely perpetuated is completely beyond me.And it says nothing about it needing to be afar. Also isn't there actually a novel coming out about Sidious personally going to quash a rebellion?
Now why don't you tell me why Sidious would need another person to use Battle Meditation in the most important battle of the Empire if he can do it much better himself constantly without needing to meditate? DO this or submit forever because that's how debates work.
Rofl you're getting desperate, this is frankly hilarious. Yes, let's assume it's a power we've never ever ever ever ever seen performed in the Mythos, let alone by palpatine, when we know for a fact he can use Battle Meditation:
The central, powerful evil that had been the cohesive force to the Empire was gone; and when the dark side was this diffused, this nondirected—this was simply where it led
Yes, I'm the one that should be laughed out of the thread 😱 😱
"It says nothing about it needing to be from Afar."
He used it to control his fleets and to drive his soldiers on to victory. He used it to destroy his enemies from a distance
Again, someone's just ragey that the Dread Masters have been outdone by someone who doesn't even specialize in Battle Meditation.
Originally posted by Selenial
Rofl you're getting desperate, this is frankly hilarious. Yes, let's assume it's a power we've never ever ever ever ever seen performed in the Mythos, let alone by palpatine, when we know for a fact he can use Battle Meditation:
Or better yet, lets just not assume at all. I said perhaps, not that it was the case. The fact is that this is vague in the extreme and if this were applied to someone who isn't Sidious it would be immediately dismissed as many similar quotes have been. Because it is Sidious however, it is instead immediately insisted to be fact and pushed to the highest imaginable extreme. That's the funny part. And I'm hardly desperate, I've had this exact conversation before several times. It's just boring.
Originally posted by Selenial
Yes, I'm the one that should be laughed out of the thread 😱 😱
Not you, this theory. The quote you just posted says nothing about battle meditation. We KNOW that Sidious wasn't using BM in that battle, so the sudden loss of Sidious can't be anything to do with that and purely sparked chaos because, um, he's the Emperor. The dark side diffusing is unrelated. Sidious died in a blast of Force energy that would eventually become a nexus, not to mention that he'd made himself the fulcrum of the darkside in the galaxy. It only makes sense that the darkside would be a bit bonkers around his death.
Originally posted by Selenial
"It says nothing about it needing to be from Afar."
Those sure are two different sentences.
Originally posted by Selenial
Again, someone's just ragey that the Dread Masters have been outdone by someone who doesn't even specialize in Battle Meditation.
If you look you'll see I only suggested the Dread Masters as an afterthought, I gave the top spots to Bastila and Nomi.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
No offense Neph, but this does seem like TOR bias in effect. I mean, I can understand the Viti thing to an extent... but Sidious moonwalks all over the non-Vitiate SWTOR characters. You're starting to get as bad as Leg. tbh.
I'm not even talking about any TOR characters. I said Bastila and Nomi, neither of whom I'm remotely invested in. I'm arguing against this because the idea of constant, galaxy-wide BM is retarded.
I'm kind of shocked at the hypocrisy and double standards you're engaging in tbh. I thought you were all about even looking at Sidious critically in the name of fairness.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Non Vitiate characters shouldn't include the Dread Masters. Lets be clear about that. We've seen their accolades which range from impressive to "wtf that's harry potter bullshit that can't happen in the sw universe".
The fact that SWTOR is gay and you're an epic homo for playing it and liking the era at all is not in question.
But, no, seriously. Someone on the Sidious/Vitiate tier would stomp the Dread Masters.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not even talking about any TOR characters. I said Bastila and Nomi, neither of whom I'm remotely invested in. I'm arguing against this because the idea of constant, galaxy-wide BM is retarded.
Bastila and Nomi are from the Old Republic era, they're just not from SWTOR.
Objection overruled. You're arguing against the idea of Sidious engaging in constant, galaxy-wide BM.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm kind of shocked at the hypocrisy and double standards you're engaging in tbh. I thought you were all about even looking at Sidious critically in the name of fairness.
We look at Sidious critically all the time. I'm the first in line to disregard all his nexus feats, for example. But a spade's a spade and the text is purty clear about this.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bastila and Nomi are from the Old Republic era, they're just not from SWTOR.Objection overruled. You're arguing against the idea of Sidious engaging in constant, galaxy-wide BM.
We look at Sidious critically all the time. I'm the first in line to disregard all his nexus feats, for example. But a spade's a spade and the text is purty clear about this.
They're from Kotor and TotJ. TOR is another thing entirely. To me anyway.
I'd argue it's stupid with regards to anyone. As well as that the quote is being taken to a ridiculous degree. You know I do with Legend blowing up quotes to massive degrees. And its hilarious for you to be accusing anyone about bias concerning Sidious.
What a hypocrite. You've argued constantly about quotes that are just as "purty clear" as this. You've tried to undermine Nihilus' quotes non-stop. Or Vitiate's. Or Bane's. Or the Dread Masters. And many others. It isn't the double standards that tick me off, its that you've vilified me for doing this for years. You know that if I was the one presenting these quotes about a TOR character, you'd be saying the exact same arguments I am. Pointing out the exact same holes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They're from Kotor and TotJ. TOR is another thing entirely. To me anyway.
That's all dealing with the Old Republic, tho. That's why I said TOR instead of SWTOR, for the record.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd argue it's stupid with regards to anyone.
Indeed?
Originally posted by Nephthys
As well as that the quote is being taken to a ridiculous degree. You know I do with Legend blowing up quotes to massive degrees.
Your objections with Leg. seem... passive of late.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And its hilarious for you to be accusing anyone about bias concerning Sidious.
How so, my son?
Originally posted by Nephthys
What a hypocrite. You've argued constantly about quotes that are just as "purty clear" as this. You've tried to undermine Nihilus' quotes non-stop. Or Vitiate's. Or Bane's. Or the Dread Masters. And many others. It isn't the double standards that tick me off, its that you've vilified me for doing this for years. You know that if I was the one presenting these quotes about a TOR character, you'd be saying the exact same arguments I am. Pointing out the exact same holes.
Don't you deny that the holes exist, tho? Let's say I'm doing the same thing you do, for the sake of argument. Why is it ok for you to do it but not ok for me to do it?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The fact that SWTOR is gay and you're an epic homo for playing it and liking the era at all is not in question.But, no, seriously. Someone on the Sidious/Vitiate tier would stomp the Dread Masters.
Doubtful. They have some incredible feats. And SWTOR is so much cooler than the gay movies Disney is coming out with/anything PT era
Originally posted by psmith81992
Doubtful. They have some incredible feats. And SWTOR is so much cooler than the gay movies Disney is coming out with/anything PT era
My dong has incredible feats, ask your wife/mother/all female relatives and known associates.
Nay. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous shits all over your SWTOR.
You barely even played Swtor.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's all dealing with the Old Republic, tho. That's why I said TOR instead of SWTOR, for the record.Indeed?
Your objections with Leg. seem... passive of late.
How so, my son?
Don't you deny that the holes exist, tho? Let's say I'm doing the same thing you do, for the sake of argument. Why is it ok for you to do it but not ok for me to do it?
Don't care, they're separate for me. I don't consider them as the same era.
Yeah. I think it's stupid that friggin Meetra can *apparently* use BM without having to meditiate, let alone do it over the galaxy. That's ****ing retarded.
You know I backed off on him. And I'm not really willing to get into a massive debate with him anymore. Remember when he said the prologue boss for Nox was Dooku level? Urgh that was painful. I'm not going at him hard anymore.
You're massively biased towards him beyond any dislike I hypothetically hold for him.
For whom? I'm pretty sure I am pointing out the holes already for Sidious' BM. And it's different because you've been so ****ing on my case about double standards and applying things equally that this makes you look like a complete tool.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You barely even played Swtor.
So? Youtube's chronicled all this shit for me, from brave users who withstood the overwhelmingly foul stench of that turdnexus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't care, they're separate for me. I don't consider them as the same era.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah. I think it's stupid that friggin Meetra can *apparently* use BM without having to meditiate, let alone do it over the galaxy. That's ****ing retarded.
That seems doubtful, tho.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You know I backed off on him. And I'm not really willing to get into a massive debate with him anymore. Remember when he said the prologue boss for Nox was Dooku level? Urgh that was painful.
k.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're massively biased towards him beyond any dislike I hypothetically hold for him.
That doesn't seem true, tho.
Originally posted by Nephthys
For whom? I'm pretty sure I am pointing out the holes already for Sidious' BM. And it's different because you've been so ****ing on my case about double standards and applying things equally that this makes you look like a complete tool.
So it's ok to use double standards and apply things unequally if I stop lecturing you about it?