Originally posted by Nephthys
Why even make the thread if you're not going to accept me arguing that their strongest attributes combined can challenge him?Unless Zannah gets tentacles, in which case thats her strongest thing. Also sorcery isn't telepathy n00b.
Because that's not going to beat him, come up with something else. I thoroughly believe Sidious would win, doesn't mean I can't make the thread.
Art thou serious? Read the book of Sith mate, Sorcery is exactly the same as regular powers except it allows for greater ability in whatever sphere it's in. Sidious is a far greater telepath, so her sorcery won't be enough to close that gap.
They could probably put up a reasonable fight in pure sabers, assuming that they can coordinate their attacks sophisticatedly... But they still can't win. Sidious is just in another class; stronger, faster, more skilled, more efficient, more unorthodox, more cunning, greater precognitive abilities, etc. etc. It's still 2v1, though, so maybe they could avoid complete humiliation.
That said, I'm not sure exactly what'd happen if Sidious were to (uncharacteristically) just attack with the Force. Not sure that the team could at all defend themselves against his powers even as of RotS tbh. Not that it matters, it's pretty clear that with vast superiority in contests of both skill and power, Sidious will win every time and enjoy himself while he does it.
Originally posted by Selenial
Because that's not going to beat him, come up with something else. I thoroughly believe Sidious would win, doesn't mean I can't make the thread.Art thou serious? Read the book of Sith mate, Sorcery is exactly the same as regular powers except it allows for greater ability in whatever sphere it's in. Sidious is a far greater telepath, so her sorcery won't be enough to close that gap.
I don't see how you'd accept any other argument from me. You seem to think both would get instantly crushed in melee and are far less powerful. If I suggested that they both attack him with TK, lightning and sorcery at once for instance, your response would be?
Except you're ignoring that Zannah's sorcery is not telepathy and therefor does not work the same way. Telepathy is based on Force power and skill and personal ability (some people/races are naturally good telepaths). But as DoE makes clear, the only way to resist Zannah's sorcerous mental attack is through willpower. Sidious may be capable of doing that but he's not going to be able to just brush it off through sheer power. It's also incredibly painful and debilitating. Bane has demonstrated remarkable mental resilience and pain tolerance and was still brought to his knee's and rendered immobile for quite some time. Can you therefore truly say that Sidious will be capable of outdueling someone like Bane while dealing with a mental attack of this type? Even if he was able to remain standing, I highly doubt he could shrug off the effects that well.
Furthermore, aren't you the one who suggested that mentally dominating force users was exponentially more impressive than doing so to non-force sensitives? Well Kaan was able to dominate hundreds of Sith Lords with his mental abilities yet Bane literally laughed off his power. He did not laugh at Zannah's attack, despite being much improved himself, indicating that Zannah's mental ability is vastly superior to Kaan's, which was very powerful on it's own. Going by your own arguments, can you truly dismiss Zannah that easily?