Originally posted by carver9
So sundipped Superman is the same as Hulk being more angrier than the other? Doesn't make sense. His powerset is to have dynamic strength. Just because he was more pissed than he was yesterday doesn't mean we exclude showings. All of Hulk fts are done under (here's the important part) his own power.
No it's a difference in varying power levels. Both are capable of those levels doesn't mean they operate at them majority of their appearances. Or are you going to argue doc green is operating at world breaker levels?
It's amazing we have to spell things out clearly and you still don't grasp basic things.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No it's a difference in varying power levels. Both are capable of those levels doesn't mean they operate at them majority of their appearances. Or are you going to argue doc green is operating at world breaker levels?It's amazing we have to spell things out clearly and you still don't grasp basic things.
Who said anything about operating anywhere? What I am telling you is, all of those fts are coming from the same person "without any outside amps". It is HULK that is achieving what he is doing so why not give him his fts? Why separate what he has achieved because of him being more pissed than he was beforehand? HULK achieved those fts...no matter how much you want to put them on different Hulks, it all came from the same body that does the same thing. Do you understand this now? Or do I have to explain how Hulks power works?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Isn't wbh Hulk?
It's Hulk amped by the anger of having his entire planet and family (including unborn child) destroyed by a bomb that was planted by his 'friends', and set off by even closer 'friends' of his, then attacked, then given free rein to do whatever he wanted with no consequences whatsoever, and with a partner who was equal to him in strength and who would also magically return no matter how much damage he caused.
Is that Hulk present? Because to act as if they're the same, is very, very wrong.
Does Hulk break the Eastern Seaboard in half if Spiderman tells one too many 'yo mamma' jokes?
If he accidentally stubs his toe, does he crack the planet in half?
Hulk is Hulk, sure. But WBH/WWH were specific incarnations which had outside triggers to amp his anger levels up, which previous incarnations did not have, apparently.
Originally posted by carver9
Just because he was more pissed than he was yesterday
This is the important part.
Hulk's strength comes from his anger. If he has less anger, he has less strength. Doc Green has less anger, and more importantly, as we argue characters here, not powersets, he also holds back (gamma maths) compared to WBH.
If you want to argue powersets, go ahead.
Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about operating anywhere? What I am telling you is, all of those fts are coming from the same person "without any outside amps". It is HULK that is achieving what he is doing so why not give him his fts? Why separate what he has achieved because of him being more pissed than he was beforehand? HULK achieved those fts...no matter how much you want to put them on different Hulks, it all came from the same body that does the same thing. Do you understand this now? Or do I have to explain how Hulks power works?
So you do think doc green is operating at world breaker levels. Gotcha
You do realize even hulk has seperated his incarnations as seen when he ventures in his own mind
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's Hulk amped by the anger of having his entire planet and family (including unborn child) destroyed by a bomb that was planted by his 'friends', and set off by even closer 'friends' of his, then attacked, then given free rein to do whatever he wanted with no consequences whatsoever, and with a partner who was equal to him in strength and who would also magically return no matter how much damage he caused.Is that Hulk present? Because to act as if they're the same, is very, very wrong.
Does Hulk break the Eastern Seaboard in half if Spiderman tells one too many 'yo mamma' jokes?
If he accidentally stubs his toe, does he crack the planet in half?
Hulk is Hulk, sure. But WBH/WWH were specific incarnations which had outside triggers to amp his anger levels up, which previous incarnations did not have, apparently.
Bingo
Originally posted by -K-M-
So you do think doc green is operating at world breaker levels. GotchaYou do realize even hulk has seperated his incarnations as seen when he ventures in his own mind
No one said that they operate at the same levels but they are one of the same. How can a person with dynamic strength operate at the same levels? Doesn't make sense.
And when he separated his incarnations, what did you call the green one?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's Hulk amped by the anger of having his entire planet and family (including unborn child) destroyed by a bomb that was planted by his 'friends', and set off by even closer 'friends' of his, then attacked, then given free rein to do whatever he wanted with no consequences whatsoever, and with a partner who was equal to him in strength and who would also magically return no matter how much damage he caused.Is that Hulk present? Because to act as if they're the same, is very, very wrong.
Does Hulk break the Eastern Seaboard in half if Spiderman tells one too many 'yo mamma' jokes?
If he accidentally stubs his toe, does he crack the planet in half?
Hulk is Hulk, sure. But WBH/WWH were specific incarnations which had outside triggers to amp his anger levels up, which previous incarnations did not have, apparently.
So you're saying the Hulk's are not one of the same because one is more pissed off than the other? Even though he is still Hulk, they are not the same because of anger levels? Even though they are in the same mind, body, and soul.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the important part.Hulk's strength comes from his anger. If he has less anger, he has less strength. Doc Green has less anger, and more importantly, as we argue characters here, not powersets, he also holds back (gamma maths) compared to WBH.
If you want to argue powersets, go ahead.
Lol...
But...he...is...still...Hulk. It doesn't matter if he is as angry as he was yesterday, he is the same character. Doc Green was more angry when he fought Red Hulk than he was when he fought Skaar. You probably need to separate Hulk there as well since his anger levels when up to a 10.
Originally posted by carver9
No one said that they operate at the same levels but they are one of the same. How can a person with dynamic strength operate at the same levels? Doesn't make sense.And when he separated his incarnations, what did you call the green one?
Because majority of his showings he does not operate at those plateaus and he needed additional external stimuli to reach them. Not consistent with majority of his showings.
Which one? You talking about merged hulk? Devil/guilt hulk? Etc
Originally posted by -K-M-His powers are directly tied to his temperament. Quit trying to avoid how his powers work. The same can be said of every character if we focus on the mood, circumstances of every feat at the time.
all hulks are not equal. Even doc green is not the same as world breaker hulk nor does hulk operate at those levels to say he would bust those showings out here. Might as well use sundipped superman if you go this route
Originally posted by -K-M-
Because majority of his showings he does not operate at those plateaus and he needed additional external stimuli to reach them. Not consistent with majority of his showings.Which one? You talking about merged hulk? Devil/guilt hulk? Etc
Read above. We need to separate Doc showings as well since he was operating at different levels during certain moments. His anger levels were different.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His powers are directly tied to his temperament. Quit trying to avoid how his powers work. The same can be said of every character if we focus on the mood, circumstances of every feat at the time.
Which can be based on his personality. Hence why even in hulks mind he seperated varies personalities and treats them differently. Now THATS how his power works. They have showed this several times now in hulks own book
So you feel doc green regularly operates at world breaker levels too?
Originally posted by carver9
Read above. We need to separate Doc showings as well since he was operating at different levels during certain moments. His anger levels were different.
way to miss the point. Different personalities dictate different levels of power and different opportunities to tap into his well of power. That's actually stated by hulk himself.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Which can be based on his personality. Hence why even in hulks mind he seperated varies personalities and treats them differently. Now THATS how his power works. They have showed this several times now in hulks own bookSo you feel doc green regularly operates at world breaker levels too?
way to miss the point. Different personalities dictate different levels of power and different opportunities to tap into his well of power. That's actually stated by hulk himself.
And this is a lie.
Hulk during a Savage moment even went World Breaker and THIS was shown on panel. Also, his power is dynamic strength.
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying the Hulk's are not one of the same because one is more pissed off than the other? Even though he is still Hulk, they are not the same because of anger levels? Even though they are in the same mind, body, and soul.
Lol.
So Savage Hulk has the same intelligence feats as Doc Green (same mind)?
I mean, at the end of the day, we already have a forum ruling, so argue all you want.
OP has also said he wants all feats applicable, so its his thread, he can do what he wants lol.
Am I conceding? Yes. Because OP allows it, so its allowed.