Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.So Savage Hulk has the same intelligence feats as Doc Green (same mind)?
I mean, at the end of the day, we already have a forum ruling, so argue all you want.
OP has also said he wants all feats applicable, so its his thread, he can do what he wants lol.
Am I conceding? Yes. Because OP allows it, so its allowed.
Can both Doc Green and Savage amp off of anger. So this is about who's smarter than the other even though Hulk brain is jacked up?
Originally posted by carver9
And this is a lie.Hulk during a Savage moment even went World Breaker and THIS was shown on panel. Also, his power is dynamic strength.
Calling hulk a liar now? Also how many times has savage hulk gone world breaker again? Give me a percentage on how many times he has done that in his entire history
Originally posted by -K-M-I feel every character including Superman operates at differing power levels based on the writer, the situation, the stakes, mindset, etc.
Which can be based on his personality. Hence why even in hulks mind he seperated varies personalities and treats them differently. Now THATS how his power works. They have showed this several times now in hulks own bookSo you feel doc green regularly operates at world breaker levels too?
way to miss the point. Different personalities dictate different levels of power and different opportunities to tap into his well of power. That's actually stated by hulk himself.
Superman's power set depends on solar energy, time of day,(again solar energy as well as location) stakes, etc.
The thread starter acts as if all feats count hence my agreement but usually I'd argue based on a specific version.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Calling hulk a liar now? Also how many times has savage hulk gone world breaker again? Give me a percentage on how many times he has done that in his entire history
It doesn't matter how many times he done it. It happened. This goes over what you implied about the character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I feel every character including Superman operates at differing power levels based on the writer, the situation, the stakes, mindset, etc.Superman's power set depends on solar energy, time of day,(again solar energy as well as location) stakes, etc.
The thread starter acts as if all feats count hence my agreement but usually I'd argue based on a specific version.
That's my point. Consistency. Hulk as dictated by the comics has multiple personaltiies and even in his own mind he seperates them. Some personalities can tap more quickly and more easily to his huge power source them others. Every hero like you said can pull out more power by force of will. However hulk and his various personalities have varying difficulty doing that. Even hulk has given his own personalities names and treates them as different people
Can he tap into world breaker mode? Definetly. Does he do it enough to warrant us saying he does it on a regular basis? Not even close. Same for superman flying to the sun to sundip for a fight. Unlikely
Indeed. But then where do we draw the line? As I mentioned...consistency. As hulk in his various incarnations has some pretty low showings too. So what would the true average be?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's Hulk amped by the anger of having his entire planet and family (including unborn child) destroyed by a bomb that was planted by his 'friends', and set off by even closer 'friends' of his, then attacked, then given free rein to do whatever he wanted with no consequences whatsoever, and with a partner who was equal to him in strength and who would also magically return no matter how much damage he caused.Is that Hulk present? Because to act as if they're the same, is very, very wrong.
Does Hulk break the Eastern Seaboard in half if Spiderman tells one too many 'yo mamma' jokes?
If he accidentally stubs his toe, does he crack the planet in half?
Hulk is Hulk, sure. But WBH/WWH were specific incarnations which had outside triggers to amp his anger levels up, which previous incarnations did not have, apparently.
Same as Superman or Thor pulling out high end feats based on mindset and situation.
Not sure why there's a need to separate the two.
Example..
Brainiac ship falling down towards earth.
Clark - Oh fukk. All my friends, my lones ones, my teammates will be obliterated. Everything I care about will be gone. No! This will not be! Let me go precrisis on dat @$$ and move dis ship that's like a few dozen the size of earth.
Originally posted by -K-M-I do not disagree with your consistency. I usually always go with the notion that it is doc green only but the thread starter wants all feats to be used. I also wouldn't argue WB mode or OWAW for every hulk or reboot superman as the norm but I just see them as evidence just the minority of evidence.
That's my point. Consistency. Hulk as dictated by the comics has multiple personaltiies and even in his own mind he seperates them. Some personalities can tap more quickly and more easily to his huge power source them others. Every hero like you said can pull out more power by force of will. However hulk and his various personalities have varying difficulty doing that. Even hulk has given his own personalities names and treates them as different peopleCan he tap into world breaker mode? Definetly. Does he do it enough to warrant us saying he does it on a regular basis? Not even close. Same for superman flying to the sun to sundip for a fight. Unlikely
Indeed. But then where do we draw the line? As I mentioned...consistency. As hulk in his various incarnations has some pretty low showings too. So what would the true average be?
Guys like Superman, Hulk, and Thor are consistently on the same level despite certain posters clinging to their best while citing the oppositions worst.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Same Hulk.Same as Superman or Thor pulling out high end feats based on mindset and situation.
Not sure why there's a need to separate the two.
Example..
Brainiac ship falling down towards earth.
Clark - Oh fukk. All my friends, my lones ones, my teammates will be obliterated. Everything I care about will be gone. No! This will not be! Let me go precrisis on dat @$$ and move dis ship that's like a few dozen the size of earth.
So, IYO, Superman has dynamic strength?
And where does it end?
Does Ultimate Hulk share the same feats as WBH? Same abilities, after all - madder they get/stronger they get.
Marvel Zombies Hulk?
Is this applicable to WWH as well:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40015/1129403-4b___grey.png
Same Hulk, right?
I remember when Carver had a meltdown, when Sun God beat him. Kept saying how it was a different Hulk, based on his skin colour.
So what? Same Hulk, right? how about alternate universe Hulks - why should it matter? As long as they have the same powerset, who cares about their character, right? Amping off their anger.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though they are in the same mind
So Doc Green and Savage/Mindless Hulk share the same mind feats? Cool!
Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by quanchi112
I do not disagree with your consistency. I usually always go with the notion that it is doc green only but the thread starter wants all feats to be used. I also wouldn't argue WB mode or OWAW for every hulk or reboot superman as the norm but I just see them as evidence just the minority of evidence.Guys like Superman, Hulk, and Thor are consistently on the same level despite certain posters clinging to their best while citing the oppositions worst.
This.
OP says all feats are used, then so be it - it's HIS thread, after all.
Treat it with the same care as one would an LoM dual wielding, adamantium vampire with creatures of the night thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do not disagree with your consistency. I usually always go with the notion that it is doc green only but the thread starter wants all feats to be used. I also wouldn't argue WB mode or OWAW for every hulk or reboot superman as the norm but I just see them as evidence just the minority of evidence.Guys like Superman, Hulk, and Thor are consistently on the same level despite certain posters clinging to their best while citing the oppositions worst.
Agreed 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, IYO, Superman has dynamic strength?And where does it end?
Does Ultimate Hulk share the same feats as WBH? Same abilities, after all - madder they get/stronger they get.
Marvel Zombies Hulk?
Is this applicable to WWH as well:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40015/1129403-4b___grey.png
Same Hulk, right?
I remember when Carver had a meltdown, when Sun God beat him. Kept saying how it was a different Hulk, based on his skin colour.
So what? Same Hulk, right? how about alternate universe Hulks - why should it matter? As long as they have the same powerset, who cares about their character, right? Amping off their anger.
So Doc Green and Savage/Mindless Hulk share the same mind feats? Cool!
Excellent. Superman snaps WWH's neck, right? Same bodies.
Why are you using alternate Hulks in your argument? Doesn't make any sense.
Snapping Hulks neck. It's a showing that happened but doesn't weigh in on Hulks true durability. Of course HULK will have lows, doesn't mean it's his average.
Kinda like Superman getting his jaw and arm broken. Even though it happened, we wouldn't use those showings as his average.
Also, you might want to read what happened in WWH for them to snap his neck.
Originally posted by carver9
Why are you using alternate Hulks in your argument? Doesn't make any sense.Snapping Hulks neck. It's a showing that happened but doesn't weigh in on Hulks true durability. Of course HULK will have lows, doesn't mean it's his average.
Kinda like Superman getting his jaw and arm broken. Even though it happened, we wouldn't use those showings as his average.
Also, you might want to read what happened in WWH for them to snap his neck.
He was still the same Hulk, right?
I am using alternate Hulks, because that is the natural progression of your argument.
Alternate universe Hulks - as long as they have the same powerset (madder they get the stronger they get), why can't they have the same feats?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was still the same Hulk, right?I am using alternate Hulks, because that is the natural progression of your argument.
Alternate universe Hulks - as long as they have the same powerset (madder they get the stronger they get), why can't they have the same feats?
Yes...he was most Def the same Hulk but I don't think you understood what was going on during that scene...you might want to reread it and even if it was a legit showing, Hulk has lows as well just like Superman, Thor, Hercules, Red Hulk Wonder Woman, etc, etc...
Lol...you might want to reread my argument. I'm not debating powerset because if I were, that would mean Gladiator and Superman are one. I said all of the Hulk fts belong to him because "they are one of the same". The same being AND he is doing everything using his own abilities.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, IYO, Superman has dynamic strength?And where does it end?
Does Ultimate Hulk share the same feats as WBH? Same abilities, after all - madder they get/stronger they get.
Marvel Zombies Hulk?
Is this applicable to WWH as well:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40015/1129403-4b___grey.png
Same Hulk, right?
I remember when Carver had a meltdown, when Sun God beat him. Kept saying how it was a different Hulk, based on his skin colour.
So what? Same Hulk, right? how about alternate universe Hulks - why should it matter? As long as they have the same powerset, who cares about their character, right? Amping off their anger.
Why would Ultimate Hulk be 616?
