Kurse vs Hulk

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Post vid and timestamped comparisons to prove amp pls?

Haven't seen the fight in a while but from memory it only felt like he got more savage the angrier he got. But I could be wrong.

😠 you could've youtube this vid. Anyways...in the beginning of the fight Abomination overpowers Hulk and almost one shots him. That isn't the important part though. Fast forward to 5 min and 50 sec. Hulk and Abomination charge each other and Abomination wins this and slams him to the wall. Hulk tries to overpower Abomination arms, not working. All of a sudden l he gains the strength to overpower Abominationand get free of the hold.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z02M17sXzGQ

Look at the end of the fight. Abomination licks was doing nothing to the Hulk while Hulk was still strangling him.

😂 him going Savage? WTF does that even mean. Really? Like for real.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
He got stronger and he did manage to overpower Abomination, but it wasn't easy for him, and it took him a long ass time to reach that point.

Which is why I think Tony was able to knock his ass around even KO him. Movie Hulk doesn't amp fast enough.

Kind of makes sense, and in a way I like it. Although Hulk is now being treated like a ***** when he isn't.

So his anger against Tony was the same as his anger against Abomination? Two different pissed levels.

Originally posted by carver9
So his anger against Tony was the same as his anger against Abomination? Two different pissed levels.

LOL good luck proving his bloodlusted level was below his "Amped" fight with Abom was tooling him until the very last 10-15 seconds.

HB would wipe with floor with Abom.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
LOL good luck proving his bloodlusted level was below his "Amped" fight with Abom was tooling him until the very last 10-15 seconds.

HB would wipe with floor with Abom.

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I'm so confused.

Originally posted by carver9
So Hulk trying to lift Mjlonir is the same as Kurse slapping it out of the way? 😂

If slapping Mjlonir have nothing to with the enchantment, what makes slapping Mjlonir out of the way impressive and above Hulk. Does the hammer in this thrown effect have a strength ft I am unaware of?

It makes it impressive because Hulk didnt do anything remotely close to what kurse did to the hammer while in flight.
The only "feat" the hammer has had consistently throughout all the MCU films is that, It has never been lifted by anyone besides Thor, Odin & Vision or having its trajectory affected by anything......except Kurse.

Originally posted by carver9
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I'm so confused.

You stating that he has two levels now, a amped level and a blood lusted level and trying to downplay one, and overhype the other..

No not happening. Maybe in your world, but not reality.

Bloodlusted is as high as it gets around these parts, partner..

Originally posted by Inhuman
Ok forget lifting. Did Hulk affect Mjlonir's trajectory in any way? This is before Mjlonir hits the floor. If he didnt then , what Kurse did > What Hulk accomplished - While Mjlonir was in flight.

It makes it impressive because Hulk didnt do anything remotely close to what kurse did to the hammer.
The only "feat" the hammer has had consistently throughout all the MCU films is that, It has never been lifted or its trajectory affected by anything......except Kurse.

Ok. I think I should've worded this different because I don't think you are getting it. Let's put Kurse in Hulk shoes. Do you think Kurse could have caught and held on to Mjlonir when Thor threw it? Simple question. That's what Hulk tried to do. He tried to hold on to Mjlonir...bypass the enchantment. Do you think Kurse could have grabbed the hammer like Hulk did and held on to it? Simple question. If not, what do you think would've happened once Kurse grabbed Mjlonir out of the air? Not slap it, we are talking about holding it (ya know, like Hulk did).

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Shame on you, carver. Asking someone to prove a negative.

You should know better than that.

Also, Hulk has never gotten stabbed by an Asgardian/Dark Elven weapon before. And Kurse never gotten blasted by Chitauri weaponry. Kurse never fought Hulkbuster nor Iron Man and comparing the two based on such showings is doing apples to oranges.

The only available benchmark that we can use is Thor and from that, Kurse did better.

You bring up a good point, which Carver ignored.

Originally posted by carver9
😠 you could've youtube this vid. Anyways...in the beginning of the fight Abomination overpowers Hulk and almost one shots him. That isn't the important part though. Fast forward to 5 min and 50 sec. Hulk and Abomination charge each other and Abomination wins this and slams him to the wall. Hulk tries to overpower Abomination arms, not working. All of a sudden l he gains the strength to overpower Abomination Abomination and get free of the hold.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z02M17sXzGQ

Look at the end of the fight. Abomination licks was doing nothing to the Hulk while Hulk was still strangling him.

😂 him going Savage. WTF does that even mean. Really? Like for real.

Looks to me he powered out of a hold due to adrenaline and desperation.

Action heroes do that all the time in movies.. Hardly proof of "amping" as a power. But if you wanna go by this, then the upper limits of said "amping" don't seem to be enough to be relevant in this fight.

Watching the fight again and gotta say, MAN this version of Hulk was weaksauce....

"Savage" meaning that he tends to ignore pain/exhaustion more and attacks more rapidly and uses more brutal attacks. Can't believe you need clarification on what that means as you used to rep Wolverine didn't you?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I feel like me are not understanding each other.

I said he was bloodlusted and fully enraged. There is no denying this..you will have a hard time proving he can amp past that state..

Kurse will win based on his strength and H2H.

Your claim is Hulk can continue to amp, however I deny this and have disproved it above.

In that mindless state he was barely hurt by the Hulkbuster suit (which was also clearly stronger than Thor), he bloody ran through its repulsor beams like nothing and was unharmed by a skyscraper being dropped on his head.

Evidence is there that Hulk can amp, how fast is anyones guess but he CAN amp as shown in Incredible hulk. Just because it isn't spoon fed to you like it is in the comics doesn't mean it isn't at play. As I said, in both fights against Thor and HB he seemed to grow more powerful as the fight went on which suggests that it is. If Asgardian weapons can slice Kurse up and outright kill others, I don't see why Hulk can't eventually get angry enough to tear it apart.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You stating that he has two levels now, a amped level and a blood lusted level and trying to downplay one, and overhype the other..

No not happening. Maybe in your world, but not reality.

Bloodlusted is as high as it gets around these parts, partner..

You said he couldn't amp, I said he could. Now you are asking me if there are different levels of amping for Hulk? What in the world.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok. I think I should've worded this different because I don't think you are getting it. Let's put Kurse in Hulk shoes. Do you think Kurse could have caught and held on to Mjlonir when Thor threw it? Simple question. That's what Hulk tried to do. He tried to hold on to Mjlonir...bypass the enchantment. Do you think Kurse could have grabbed the hammer like Hulk did and held on to it? Simple question. If not, what do you think would've happened once Kurse grabbed Mjlonir out of the air? Not slap it, we are talking about holding it (ya know, like Hulk did).

Strawman, strawman, strawman..

Facts Hulk tried to have his way with the hammer. Hammer said no..

Originally posted by carver9
You said he couldn't amp, I said he could. Now you are asking me if there are different levels of amping for Hulk? What in the world.

Again what is your proof his amping goes beyond his bloodlusted level. You are trying to say his bloodlusting was not as high as he gets. Show proof he gets higher because his latest showing is as high as he gets..remember your favorite leviathan punch? You are trying to assume his small amp in TIH is above his bloodlusted levels.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Also when he did have some of his best amping feats it didn't help him much against his dad in 2003.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Looks to me he powered out of a hold due to adrenaline and desperation.

Action heroes do that all the time in movies.. Hardly proof of "amping" as a power. But if you wanna go by this, then the upper limits of said "amping" don't seem to be enough to be relevant in this fight.

Watching the fight again and gotta say, MAN this version of Hulk was weaksauce....

"Savage" meaning that he tends to ignore pain/exhaustion more and attacks more rapidly and uses more brutal attacks. Can't believe you need clarification on what that means as you used to rep Wolverine didn't you?

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Adrenalin rush. Ok. I didn't even read the rest. I guess if I got an adrenaline rush, I could knock out Mike Tyson out during his early yr or Brock and I weigh a buck 80 and 6'2. Good denial there my friend. No need to keep going with this (adrenalin rush, WTF...first he say Hulk went Savage (whatever that means) and now he is saying adrenalin rush...don't waste your time carver. Don't do it).

Originally posted by carver9
Ok. I think I should've worded this different because I don't think you are getting it. Let's put Kurse in Hulk shoes. Do you think Kurse could have caught and held on to Mjlonir when Thor threw it? Simple question. That's what Hulk tried to do. He tried to hold on to Mjlonir...bypass the enchantment. Do you think Kurse could have grabbed the hammer like Hulk did and held on to it? Simple question. If not, what do you think would've happened once Kurse grabbed Mjlonir out of the air? Not slap it, we are talking about holding it (ya know, like Hulk did).

From what I seen Kurse do in Thor2, he would probably affected it in some way. Maybe catch it completely, or affect its flight in some way.

What I dont see happening is Kurse being dragged like a ragdoll like hulk was.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk being "fully enraged" doesn't even make sense btw but whatever.

In that mindless state he was barely hurt by the Hulkbuster suit (which was also clearly stronger than Thor), he bloody ran through its repulsor beams like nothing and was unharmed by a skyscraper being dropped on his head.

Evidence is there that Hulk can amp, how fast is anyones guess but he CAN amp as shown in Incredible hulk. Just because it isn't spoon fed to you like it is in the comics doesn't mean it isn't at play. As I said, in both fights against Thor and HB he seemed to grow more powerful as the fight went on which suggests that it is. If Asgardian weapons can slice Kurse up and outright kill others, I don't see why Hulk can't eventually get angry enough to tear it apart.

His showings in TIH are not as impressive as Avengers. So using a weaker Hulk that could amp to a higher level in that movie, does not point to or make a stronger Hulk in this movie be able to amp anything further then beyond what we saw in his bloodlusted levels. You can't take a weaker hulk, and apply his amp to a stronger showing and double it. You can't have it both ways.

His latest showings in Avengers are his strongest showings. His bloodlusted level was stronger then any other showing. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Inhuman
From what I seen Kurse do in Thor2, he would probably affected it in some way. Maybe catch it completely, or affect its flight in some way.

What I dont see happening is Kurse being dragged like a ragdoll like hulk was.

So you do agree with Kurse being able to overpower the enchantment because in order for him to catch it and hold on to it, he would have to overpower the enchantment. Lol...you are not getting it. There's not a single shed of proof that a thrown Mjlonir can not be slapped away from its target but there is proof that no one can HOLD Mjlonir unless they are worthy. You are basically saying Kurse is>>>>> Odin enchantment. I know your pride is in play here but I know deep down inside you feel that you are wrong here. Kurse isn't catching Mjlonir. He will NOT overpower Odin enchantment. That isn't happening and I know you know it isn't happening. No one Minus Thor is gripping Mjlonir. Now please find another argument to showcase Kurse strength.

Originally posted by carver9
There's not a single shed of proof that a thrown Mjlonir can not be slapped away

WHAT? 😆 😆 😆

There is proof, its called Kurse...

SMDH.

Dude, no matter how much spin you put on it, the hammer is above Hulk and not Kurse..

#onscreenfacts

Originally posted by carver9
No one Minus Thor is gripping Mjlonir.

I guess you need to watch the movie.

Cause Vision grabbed the hammer like a boss.

#sadhulkface