Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I have, there is nothing to see but him coming out of bloodlust and getting KO'd..His latest showings even without bloodlust are higher then TIH amped showings..
Its facts you can't deny.
Answer this question. The hits before the last hit when he broke out of Scarlet Witch mind games, why didn't it ko Hulk?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I am extremely slim. Trying to gain though.Abomination nearly dropped Hulk during the beginning of the fight with a single hit. Also, no matter how much adrenaline I get, I'm not overpowering someone that is far stronger than me and during the beginning, the strength gap between Abomination and Hulk was significant. Lol...you can use the Adrenaline argument all you want but Hulk obviously got stronger during that instance on up until we got to the point of Hulk choking him out.
Abom was clearly stronger at the start, yes. And no, ppl who have gotten a rush of adrenaline have performed feats of strength far beyond what their normal body can do, so it is entirely possible. This happens all the time in movies, so it is clearly a reasonable analysis of the scene. Although I did state that since we can neither conclusively prove nor disprove each other's assertions, that you are free to think so. Quantitatively speaking, tho, and in relation to this fight, the "amp" was irrelevant as the upper limits demonstrated by this "amp" falls far below what he was able to perform by the time he got to the Avengers.
What's strange is that you seem to think that "he got stronger on up" when he only really 1) power out of being pinned to the wall 2) choked abom (who lost his footing) with a chain 3) soaked abom's punches (while he had his opponent's back, punching someone behind you isn't very effective) 4) tear out an elbow bone spike (the best evidence to support your case, unfortunately, hard to quantify as the elbow bone has no showings or quantifiable benchmarks to support its durability). Pls correct me if I missed anything as the youtube vid has really bad quality. My internet seems to suck. All of the above had extenuating circumstances, decent reasonings as to why such happened and doesn't really make such an "amp" conclusive.
Originally posted by carver9
Answer this question. The hits before the last hit when he broke out of Scarlet Witch mind games, why didn't it ko Hulk?
Because he had not been hit hard enough. Duh 😆
Anyways, His latest showings even without bloodlust are higher then TIH amped showings..
Its facts you can't deny.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Abom was clearly stronger at the start, yes. And no, ppl who have gotten a rush of adrenaline have performed feats of strength far beyond what their normal body can do, so it is entirely possible. This happens all the time in movies, so it is clearly a reasonable analysis of the scene. Although I did state that since we can neither conclusively prove nor disprove each other's assertions, that you are free to think so. Quantitatively speaking, tho, and in relation to this fight, the "amp" was irrelevant as the upper limits demonstrated by this "amp" falls far below what he was able to perform by the time he got to the Avengers.What's strange is that you seem to think that "he got stronger on up" when he only really 1) power out of being pinned to the wall 2) choked abom (who lost his footing) with a chain 3) soaked abom's punches (while he had his opponent's back, punching someone behind you isn't very effective) 4) tear out an elbow bone spike (the best evidence to support your case, unfortunately, hard to quantify as the elbow bone has no showings or quantifiable benchmarks to support its durability). Pls correct me if I missed anything as the youtube vid has really bad quality. My internet seems to suck. All of the above had extenuating circumstances, decent reasonings as to why such happened and doesn't really make such an "amp" conclusive.
I provided the proof to the question you asked me. There is more evidence leaning towards the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets' during that scene than a adrenaline rush. It's what his abilities are and the writer showed that during this scene. I don't even know how you came to the conclusion that it had anything to do with an adrenaline rush. He became stronger which was my point...strong enough to overpower someone that had a huge strength gap during the beginning of their fight. You asked for proof of an amp, now you're going to throw it off as some type of rush. I provided evidence...the evidence you asked for, this debate should be done.
Abomination punches were solid and it did nothing to the Hulk.
My bad bro. I wasn't using those smilies in a butthole manner.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Because he had not been hit hard enough. Duh 😆Anyways, His latest showings even without bloodlust are higher then TIH amped showings..
Its facts you can't deny.
So you're saying Ironman held back against the Hulk until they got to the part where the mind control was gone?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His showings in TIH are not as impressive as Avengers. So using a weaker Hulk that could amp to a higher level in that movie, does not point to or make a stronger Hulk in this movie be able to amp anything further then beyond what we saw in his bloodlusted levels. You can't take a weaker hulk, and apply his amp to a stronger showing and double it. You can't have it both ways.His latest showings in Avengers are his strongest showings. His bloodlusted level was stronger then any other showing. Plain and simple.
You may aswell just say you hate Hulk and be done with it because trying to impose all these false distinctions on his powers is getting silly and reeks of bias. Why create the thread if you legit think Hulk stands no chance?
Originally posted by carver9
I provided the proof to the question you asked me. There is more evidence leaning towards the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets' during that scene than a adrenaline rush. It's what his abilities are and the writer showed that during this scene. I don't even know how you came to the conclusion that it had anything to do with an adrenaline rush. He became stronger which was my point...strong enough to overpower someone that had a huge strength gap during the beginning of their fight. You asked for proof of an amp, now you're going to throw it off as some type of rush. I provided evidence...the evidence you asked for, this debate should be done.Abomination punches were solid and it did nothing to the Hulk.
My bad bro. I wasn't using those smilies in a butthole manner.
Would have to disagree. I would say there is an exact number of evidence of it being a rush of adrenaline as it is an amping power. It has been shown many times in the movies. Hero faces imminent defeat, hero's loved one(s) faces mortal danger from villain/environmental, hero powers out of his situation with one mighty effort (most likely backed by a rush of adrenaline), hero rescues loved one(s). I mean, how many times have we seen that in movies? Of course (as I said) you are free to call that a power, but pls don't go around saying that it is the only possible explanation here....
My problem has always been the fact movies (being targetted towards a mass audience) have always been one of two things when showcasing a power: 1) been blatantly clear about it so that the ppl who are unfamilar with the character would know about it. 2) Explained it via in-movie dialogue or text. Ambiguous or not, it would at least be alluded to somehow.
It is rare for movie makers to just "throw in" hints of a power existing in a fast paced action scene and leaving much of it debatable. Especially if the power has no (as of yet) plot relevance to be kept hidden and said character has been in multiple movies.
Punching someone while you have poor footing isn't optimal. Punching someone behind you isn't very effective. I'm sure they had a lot of power behind them but relative to what Abom can do, those punches were just ineffective.
No prob. Edited my post. Anyway, let's just try to be civil so that we can keep the debate going, alryt? 🙂
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Would have to disagree. I would say there is an exact number of evidence of it being a rush of adrenaline as it is an amping power. It has been shown many times in the movies. Hero faces imminent defeat, hero's loved one(s) faces mortal danger from villain/environmental, hero powers out of his situation with one mighty effort (most likely backed by a rush of adrenaline), hero rescues loved one(s). I mean, how many times have we seen that in movies? Of course (as I said) you are free to call that a power, but pls don't go around saying that it is the only possible explanation here....My problem has always been the fact movies (being targetted towards a mass audience) have always been one of two things when showcasing a power: 1) been blatantly clear about it so that the ppl who are unfamilar with the character would know about it. 2) Explained it via in-movie dialogue or text. Ambiguous or not, it would at least be alluded to somehow.
It is rare for movie makers to just "throw in" hints of a power existing in a fast paced action scene and leaving much of it debatable. Especially if the power has no (as of yet) plot relevance to be kept hidden and said character has been in multiple movies.
Punching someone while you have poor footing isn't optimal. Punching someone behind you isn't very effective. I'm sure they had a lot of power behind them but relative to what Abom can do, those punches were just ineffective.
No prob. Edited my post. Anyway, let's just try to be civil so that we can keep the debate going, alryt? 🙂
Show me one movie where someone physically overpowers another person that is far stronger than them. Not beat them, 'overpower' them.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
TIH, Avengers, AoU etc it is the SAME Hulk set in the SAME fictional universe, so all feats across all films still apply. Hulk can amp and amp significantly in seconds if angered enough. Period. It's ironic you accuse others of shifting the goalposts when you have done it constantly. I don't even think you know what you're trying to say at this point.You may aswell just say you hate Hulk and be done with it because trying to impose all these false distinctions on his powers is getting silly and reeks of bias. Why create the thread if you legit think Hulk stands no chance?
I debate based off facts not bias.
Prove his lower showings amped are above his current levels in avengers. I know it's the same hulk but he gotten stronger and this is his strongest showing..
Anyways I created this thread to mainly debate with carver cause him and me debate non stop but always keep it civil. You wouldn't know cause your here off tangent about which you know nothing about so don't bother addressing me cause I seen your bias in other threads about Thor.
If you knew anything about Hulk is that eveyone wants a piece. If you could prove he beats Kurse, Im all for it.
Again prove his latest showing are above his previous or silently withdrawal.
Hulk isn't swatting away Mjolnir, much less a charged one. Are you guys insane?
The force of Thors throw alone took him completely off his feet and sent him flying (BEFORE the enchantment kicked in and it fell).
And in the current MCU, Hulk's dynamic factor is negligible at best. The only time we really witness it is against Abomination and that's after an extended beat down and with Betty's life in danger (The most extreme of scenarios). But even that's pretty terrible for what people are trying to argue as other heroes accomplish this. I held out hope for this movie but it's clearly not a defining trait so far in this incarnation.
I was optimistic but after three movies in, arguing Hulk win against an opponent with this much of an edge because he'll get stronger is just not based on reality. I will admit that he seems to be more savage and prone to powering through damage the angrier he gets making him far more dangerous.
And Kurse beats him up. Thors punches were barely moving him and on top of that he was fast/skilled enough to dodge his attacks.
I don't know what movies people have been watching tbh, might as well argue Hulk beats Thor and Kurse at the same time.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk isn't swatting away Mjolnir. The force of Thors throw alone took him completely off his feet and sent him flying.And in the current MCU, Hulk's dynamic stronger factor is negligible at best. the only time we really witness it is against Abomination and that's after an extended beat down and with Betty's life in danger (The most extreme of scenarios). Said boost was almost completely gone after that apparently as well.
I was optimistic but after three movies in, arguing Hulk win against an opponent with this much of an edge because he'll get stronger is just not based on reality. I will admit that he seems to be more savage and prone to powering through damage the angrier he gets making him far more dangerous.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I debate based off facts not bias.Prove his lower showings amped are above his current levels in avengers. I know it's the same hulk but he gotten stronger and this is his strongest showing..
Anyways I created this thread to mainly debate with carver cause him and me debate non stop but always keep it civil. You wouldn't know cause your here off tangent about which you know nothing about so don't bother addressing me cause I seen your bias in other threads about Thor.
If you knew anything about Hulk is that eveyone wants a piece. If you could prove he beats Kurse, Im all for it.
Again prove his latest showing are above his previous or silently withdrawal.
As I said before I don't care wether you believe Kurse wins or not, but stating Kurse was "massively" stronger than Hulk just isn't true based off his showings. Both overpowered Thor to a degree, both made him bleed (Hulk did it from one punch, it took Kurse several iirc), both took his punches in their stride and both are tanks. Deflecting Mjolnir was the most impressive thing Kurse did, could Hulk do the same? Who knows, it would be a great fight but my money is on the guy who has comparable might and can grow more powerful.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk isn't swatting away Mjolnir, much less a charged one. Are you guys insane?The force of Thors throw alone took him completely off his feet and sent him flying (BEFORE the enchantment kicked in and it fell).
And in the current MCU, Hulk's dynamic factor is negligible at best. The only time we really witness it is against Abomination and that's after an extended beat down and with Betty's life in danger (The most extreme of scenarios). But even that's pretty terrible for what people are trying to argue as other heroes accomplish this. I held out hope for this movie but it's clearly not a defining trait so far in this incarnation.
I was optimistic but after three movies in, arguing Hulk win against an opponent with this much of an edge because he'll get stronger is just not based on reality. I will admit that he seems to be more savage and prone to powering through damage the angrier he gets making him far more dangerous.
And Kurse beats him up. Thors punches were barely moving him and on top of that he was fast/skilled enough to dodge his attacks.
I don't know what movies people have been watching tbh, might as well argue Hulk beats Thor and Kurse at the same time.
Carver is under the impression based on Hulk getting owned by the hammer that he can now swat it away.