Originally posted by Lord Stark
Caedus loses to ROTS Sidious. Sidious is his equal with a blade and his superior with the force. As does your precious Vitiate and everyone else on this gauntlet.
Check this: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-at-planet-ziost/105050/
I am sure that authors of sourcebooks predating introduction of Vitiate, didn't had a clue about the power and capabilities of the latter at the time of writing them. 🙄
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yeah right...Check this: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-at-planet-ziost/105050/
I am sure that authors of sourcebooks predating introduction of Vitiate, didn't had a clue about the power and capabilities of the latter at the time of writing them. 🙄
Vitiate's planetary feat is cool, but it doesn't compare to Plagueis and Sidious battle against the force itself.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate's planetary feat is cool, but it doesn't compare to Plagueis and Sidious battle against the force itself.
The Force isn't an all-powerful entity which cannot he harmed or imbalanced. The Force is a cosmic energy field.
Vitiate have harmed the Force around planet Medriaas and is also implied to have created imbalance in his time.
Originally posted by The Merchant
How is it different?
Vitiate called upon the Force to ravage planet Ziost. If the Force itself ended-up getting harmed around planet Ziost from this action, this was a side-effect of the overwhelmingly destructive use of the Force like in the case of planet Medriaas.
Darths Plagueis and Sidious performed a lengthy ritual that was directly aimed towards influencing the Force energy itself. This isn't the same as effecting physical surrounding, this is an entirely different nature of action. This ritual wasn't designed to effect surroundings, it was designed to effect only the Force.
Therefore, these type of comparisons are silly.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Effecting physical surroundings is not the same as effecting the Force energy itself. To effect physical surroundings, a Force-user calls upon the Force to perform the deed.Vitiate called upon the Force to ravage planet Ziost. If the Force itself ended-up getting harmed around planet Ziost from this action, this was a side-effect of the overwhelmingly destructive use of the Force like in the case of planet Medriaas.
Darths Plagueis and Sidious performed a lengthy ritual that was directly aimed towards influencing the Force energy itself. This isn't the same as effecting physical surrounding, this is an entirely different nature of action. This ritual wasn't designed to effect surroundings, it was designed to effect only the Force.
Therefore, these type of comparisons are silly.
"Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah it does.But hey if we go by that then Vitiate eating a galaxy is > that.
He never did do that? +Vitiate needed the assistance of billions in order to make that happen.
I honestly don't get how what you said makes the ritual of Palpatine and Plagueis any different than Vitiate's. You would have had a better argument that since Vitiate's was more destructive he might have used more energy in a certain location to do so but that honestly wouldn't counter the fact that Palpatine and Plagueis manipulated energies on the Universal, or at least Galactic scale.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Affecting the energies on a Universal scale>>>Planetary scale energies!
Rituals are noted to not be representative of the persons true capabilities. Plus, it took both of them months to perform that ritual.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He never did do that? +Vitiate needed the assistance of billions in order to make that happen.
He would have. And yeah he did, just like Plagueis and Sidious needed months to make their ritual happen.
He never did do that? +Vitiate needed the assistance of billions in order to make that happen.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
"Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
Again, using the Force to perform an action is not the same thing as influencing the Force itself.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He never did do that? +Vitiate needed the assistance of billions in order to make that happen.
Vitiate can make that possibe by himself. A single planet can possess billions of individuals by the way.
What do you think Vitiate did on Ziost? He possessed the entire populace of the planet and utilized them to kill each other. The resultant deaths fueled his power (made him stronger) and he continued these acts/feats until he acquired sufficient strength to ravage the planet itself.
Also;
"No one person - not even Revan - can truly destroy the Emperor. He will destroy Revan, then move on to the rest of us. In time, he will consume all life in the galaxy." (Darth Marr)
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan