Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. People like Caedus and Vititae can give DE Sidious a good fight but they lose in the end.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do not forget Vitiate's ability to consume any Force-user. He is very much like Darth Nihilus in this matter.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThere is no proof of either of these. And in fact anti-Force drain techniques exist.
Vitiate's most potent Force Drain power cannot be countered.
Regardless, assuming we are dealing with the Vitiate in physical form, its speculation at best to assume his is capable of his non-corporeal feats. And even if we are not, assumption that Vitiate can pull of this level of Force drain in a combat situation.
Originally posted by psmith81992
You have no proof it can be countered. Move on.
How about this?
Anakin made an emergency trip to Ulic Qel-Droma's tomb on Rhen Var. There, the ancient Jedi gave the Padawan the knowledge he needed to resist the effects of the Force Harvester and to destroy the Dark Reaper.
Ulic Qel-Droma's lessons had been learned well, and Anakin had the power to resist the Harvester.
-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #107
And this, in case you have doubts about the Dark Reaper's effects:
Exar Kun had also constructed a Sith superweapon, the Dark Reaper, that was capable of drawing in the life-energies of thousands of combatants.
-- The New Essential Chronology
The heart of the Dark Reaper was the Force Harvester, a large mechanical sphere that stripped the Force from all living things and stored their life energies until needed by the Dark Reaper.
The harvester was designed to drain the energy of the Force from any living beings, regardless of wether they were Force-sensitive or not.
-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Of course how much Draining power one can block depends on personal power, so it's not that I'm arguing people on Anakin's level can easily resist Vitiate or Nihilus' Drain, but it's just to prove that such techniques DO exist.
👆 Also:
Dark Empire SourcebookSo its probable that Palpatine has mastered this ability, especially considering he was himself a master of the Force Drain talent.Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As I pointed out earlier, Vitiate have command of techniques against which their is no counter. So Vitiate can defeat any Jedi and/or Sith.
Well he didn't defeat the hero of typhon so he apparently can be defeated. Whether or not Sidious Is the most powerful sith of all time. Vitiate is powerful earning the 2nd or 3rd greatest but not the most powerful.
i am going with sidious all the way but with number 10 being the hardest for him,naturally. even though we have not seen it i think it is safe to assume that sidious could do alot of the things vitiate did.
now idk about vitiate but i think sidious is considered to be his own nexus in the force and is considered to have tamed the dark side in some way.
I don't have any real proof for Sidious > Vitiate other than that it would make the movie Jedi seem utterly incompetent. They (presumably) beat Vitiate, but lost their entire order to RotS Sidious?
At least when Nihilus and co destroyed the Jedi, it was because their numbers had already been ravaged by the civil war.
Speaking of Nihulus, Vitiate is just a more well-thought-out version of that guy. More powerful, to be sure, but let's not mistake Vitiate's special abilities for his innate level of power.
Master Roshi from Dragon Ball could destroy small planets, doesn't mean he's on the same level as later DBZ characters who were never shown performing that feat. Sidious' talents were in politics and manipulation, along with his obvious strength in the force. Where Vitiate relied on ritual and sorcery, Sidious relied on vast armies and technology. Why waste time and energy conjuring a force storm to destroy a planet, when you can have a Death Star do it for you? I'm sure if Sidious was politically inept and a social recluse, he too could pull off some of Vitiate's feats (out of necessity).
All that said, I still believe Vitiate is definitely in Sidious' tier, just not his equal. With Episode 7, we may even see Andy Serkis' character shake up the power structure at the top once more.
So its probable that Palpatine has mastered this ability, especially considering he was himself a master of the Force Drain talent.