Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I forgot how utterly retarded Brevoort's response was."They beat them because Kryptonite hurts Superman. Also teams beat other teams regardless of stats. I didn't explain in any way how this applies or possibly why, but enjoy my comics.
Phaggot."
Two ways to look at it, I thought:
1. Thor/Hyperion et al exploited a weakness in the Beyonders, and beat them. This does not mean that Thor/Hyperion > Beyonders.
2. The Beyonders exploited a weakness in the abstracts/LT, and beat them. This does not mean that the Beyonders > the abstracts.
1 is rather bad, but 2 is a bit more palatable.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85No, they are the SAME Beyonders.
Has it been confirmed then, that they were different Beyonders? And I don't mean that they looked different (after all, Galactus looks different to everyone) but that there are different Celestials with vastly different power levels? Writer confirmation/narration, if you have it.
The final page of New Avengers #31, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
Is a direct/immediate precursor to the events of New Avengers #32, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Thor/Hype didn't do anything. And even if they did all they did was physical attacks. Starbrand kablooey'd one and the other became a tree. For some reason permanently.
Two ways to look at it, I thought:1. Thor/Hyperion et al exploited a weakness in the Beyonders, and beat them. This does not mean that Thor/Hyperion > Beyonders.
2. The Beyonders exploited a weakness in the abstracts/LT, and beat them. This does not mean that the Beyonders > the abstracts.
1 is rather bad, but 2 is a bit more palatable.
The other is better. But then again the only on panel mention of any weakness was when it became a tree. Brevoort didn't try to explain any of it. He just threw out some nonsense in the hope someone would defend and explain his stance better.
Originally posted by Galan007It's because Deodata was tracing generic robot transformers at the time. His Beyonders had to be special snowflakes.
No, they are the SAME Beyonders.The final page of New Avengers #31, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
Is a direct/immediate precursor to the events of New Avengers #32, which depicted the Beyonders like this:
Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders.
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
The Beyonders>>>>>>>Dr.Doom
Lol. At least Doom can time travel -without even needing any extra power ups. The Beyonders, cannot.
Originally posted by Galan007
No, they are the SAME Beyonders.Given the multi-faceted nature of the Beyonders, Hickman probably just told the artists to draw them however they wanted(ergo the difference in their depiction.) Either way, the Beyonders shown in the first scan ARE the Beyonders shown in the second scan. This was made clear by the context of the story itself, along with Doom's line in the first scan: "For it takes a God to kill a God"--a foreshadowing of Thor(and co.) killing some of the Beyonders.
👆. Also, there is this from Owen:
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Doom failed to kill the beyonders with that "Time Bomb"
As shown when they asked who stand before them.So no they aren't the same....
Got any proof that they are different? I have seen tons of evidence at the moment saying that they are the same. You haven't provided a single shred of proof beyond you wanting your pet character to win.
Doom with this massive power up wins.
Deodata was probably watching his kid play with his cheap ripoffs and started drawing an omnipotent race. He brought it to Hickman and Hickman was like "I just... I don't have time for you to redraw these right. You drew a fighter jet here with wheels ffs. Whatever it's done I guess. Glad I'm not paying you."
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I hardly think hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor. One Beyonder was well on its way to killing the both of them along with Starbrand before Kevin detonated on him preventing him from finishing the job.
And Ex Nihilo killed one, and hundreds were needed to kill Hyperion/Thor (who had one arm, and no Mjolnir).Doom realises they cannot time travel/are susceptible to matter manip, and turns them into trees.
