Loki vs Obi-wan Kenobi

Originally posted by Surtur
I also haven't seen a single person who thinks Loki will lose come up with any real way for Obi Wan to get around Loki creating many illusions of himself.

Force senses, even Luke got past having to rely on his eyes on about his third day of training (Taught by Obi-Wan)

Jedi can sense life and emotions pretty clearly, even in the movies, should be no problem to tell a real person from a hologram.

Does that mean The Jedi will win? No, not by itself. Given his precog laser reflecting feats and superior agility (freakish jumping and whatnot in Ep 3) While not hurt by Cap in their first meeting, he did have trouble connecting against his quickness. So Force speed + precog will definitely be a factor.

It's basically a question of whether the Lightsaber can damage Loki. As Sabers have shown to melt blast doors and insta-slice through various other stuff, I don't see why they couldn't hurt Loki.

Comes down to Sabre damage, Obi Skill is overkill by the end of epIII compared to anything Loki has displayed. Darth maul displayed vastly more skill than Loki, he couldn't tag Obi with a killing blow, Anakin by ep3 displayed far more martial prowess than loki has displayed, he couldn't tag Obi with anything like a killing strike.

Captain America landed at least a couple of clean hits on Loki, and by his accumulated feats at the time of AV1, Obi-wan had demonstrated, better agility, faster combat reactions and faster movement speed.

If a sabre can damage loki, Obi wins without much difficulty. If a sabre cannot damage Loki because of his enhanced durability then spite thread. I think the OP made the thread on the premise that a Sabre can cut anything organic as easily as we've been shown in all movies, and in that case, skill kills.

I don't think the OPs view on the lightsaber should matter, only the saber's cutting feats vs Loki's durability feats matter.

Well then the question is, is Lokis skin and armor stronger than anything a lightsabre can cut with a swipe?

Well, Loki has tanked multiple energy attacks that were capable of destroying metal. IE the Destroyer gun, Iron-man's repulsors and the Bi-Frost explosion.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Well then the question is, is Lokis skin and armor stronger than anything a lightsabre can cut with a swipe?

I'm of the opinion that although the lightsaber can hurt Loki, it will not cut through him with one swipe. Think of him like a thick steel door. The lightsaber will need time to cut through Loki, otherwise it will just give him burn marks.

Of course I have nothing much to base this opinion on. Just that Loki seems to do incredibly well against energy based attacks.

Remember how thick that blast door was that Qui-Gon cut? The saber will hurt Loki, it may take a few hits, but Loki's going down eventually, and Obi-Wan has the skill and speed to do it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Remember how thick that blast door was that Qui-Gon cut? The saber will hurt Loki, it may take a few hits, but Loki's going down eventually, and Obi-Wan has the skill and speed to do it.

Need I reference mango or cad bane holding their own against Obi makes your claims look more hysterical by the second considering who Loki has gone up against.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No his mind tricks wouldn't do shit. Obj can't even avoid being hit by Jango for crying out loud. Loki operated in a universe of far more powerful characters. This isn't even close.

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Originally posted by relentless1
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Originally posted by Scoobless
Force senses, even Luke got past having to rely on his eyes on about his third day of training (Taught by Obi-Wan)

Jedi can sense life and emotions pretty clearly, even in the movies, should be no problem to tell a real person from a hologram.

Does that mean The Jedi will win? No, not by itself. Given his precog laser reflecting feats and superior agility (freakish jumping and whatnot in Ep 3) While not hurt by Cap in their first meeting, he did have trouble connecting against his quickness. So Force speed + precog will definitely be a factor.

It's basically a question of whether the Lightsaber can damage Loki. As Sabers have shown to melt blast doors and insta-slice through various other stuff, I don't see why they couldn't hurt Loki.

The lasers are slow moving, not impressive compared to Loki's arrow grab. Or certainly not more impressive. I've also never seen Obi Wan use the force as you describe. Yes, Luke could close his eyes and sense where a small blast was going to come. But that is a far cry from what you are saying Obi Wan could do.

Also people bringing up the lightsaber and the blast door. Well okay..but it took them time to get through that. I don't see the lightsaber going through him like butter or anything like that. He is quite durable. Could he functionally ignore one? Probably not, but he could certainly snap Obi Wan's neck in the process.

Originally posted by Juk3n
[B]Comes down to Sabre damage, Obi Skill is overkill by the end of epIII compared to anything Loki has displayed. Darth maul displayed vastly more skill than Loki, he couldn't tag Obi with a killing blow, Anakin by ep3 displayed far more martial prowess than loki has displayed, he couldn't tag Obi with anything like a killing strike.

The problem with citing all these things is none of those guys were doing anything but trying to fight Obi Wan with a melee weapon. They barely used their powers for anything other then leaping. Oh, Darth Maul tossed a small object at a door control to open it and Obi Wan used the force to bring his ligthsaber to him..all while Maul kind of just stood there and let it happen.

These are not the best things to cite. Loki has ranged attacks, and it much stronger physically then Obi Wan. Another factor is whether or not Loki has his spear from The Avengers movie. This becomes a lot easier if he does.

Captain America landed at least a couple of clean hits on Loki, and by his accumulated feats at the time of AV1, Obi-wan had demonstrated, better agility, faster combat reactions and faster movement speed.

The problem with citing the Captain America fight is that Loki wanted to caught. That was part of his plan.

Thor also blocked laser fire. Just putting that out there.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Remember how thick that blast door was that Qui-Gon cut? The saber will hurt Loki, it may take a few hits, but Loki's going down eventually, and Obi-Wan has the skill and speed to do it.

Thick... but IIRC he did put a bit more time into cutting that door. It's not like he just slashed through it right? Or maybe I'm remembering wrong.

Anyway, like I said I do think the saber will hurt Loki, just that it won't be immediately fatal. A few shots won't take him out but a single shot from Loki would mess up Obi wan. I also don't think Obi wan is strong enough to block any hits from Loki... meaning he'd have to dodge each and every single one - which I don't think he'll be able to do.

Obi Wan is certainly as durable as Cap, and Cap took a few shots from Loki in A1, he just didnt have the offensive power to put Loki down, though Obi Wan does with his lightsaber. Not to mention the combat speed and reflexes Kenobi at this level has is well beyond that Loki has shown in combat.

Originally posted by DTM
Obi Wan is certainly as durable as Cap, and Cap took a few shots from Loki in A1, he just didnt have the offensive power to put Loki down, though Obi Wan does with his lightsaber. Not to mention the combat speed and reflexes Kenobi at this level has is well beyond that Loki has shown in combat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what fights Obi is involved in ?

Need I reference mango or cad bane holding their own against Obi makes your claims look more hysterical by the second considering who Loki has gone up against.

Obi-Wan was good enough to block attacks from a 4-armed super fast and strong cyborg and then literally disarm him. Loki and Thor's skill is shit tier compared to that.

Jango? Lol, Obi-Wan was beating him despite holding back, being disarmed (not by Jango), and having his hands tied.

Obi-Wan rapes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Obi-Wan was good enough to block attacks from a 4-armed super fast and strong cyborg and then literally disarm him. Loki and Thor's skill is shit tier compared to that.

Jango? Lol, Obi-Wan was beating him despite holding back, being disarmed (not by Jango), and having his hands tied.

Obi-Wan rapes.

No, he was not. Jango was all over him and getting just as good as receiving.

Here comes your bias. Anyone who honestly says Obi rapes Loki from his films is a fanboy.

Loki would EFF up Obi's day

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding ? Thor would toss his hammer and kill gracious without any effort. Thor's skill shits all over grievous whi was only really skilled at escaping.

No, he was not. Jango was all over him and getting just as good as receiving.

Here comes your bias. Anyone who honestly says Obi rapes Loki from his films is a fanboy.

That's Thor being more powerful. We're talking about skill here, Quan, focus.

No, Jango fled, remember? He lost even though he had all of his equipment while Obi-Wan was unarmed and didn't even use his Force powers.

You're one to talk.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's Thor being more powerful. We're talking about skill here, Quan, focus.

No, Jango fled, remember? He lost even though he had all of his equipment while Obi-Wan was unarmed and didn't even use his Force powers.

You're one to talk.

Jango did flee because his son was there but Obi was there to detain him. He failed. Obi was disarmed in combat. That's how good Jango was at taking on a Jedi.

You just said Obi stomps Loki.

😂