Originally posted by Angelalex242
I'm not sure how the 'kill him from a distance' plan is supposed to work on a guy who can wipe entire fleets out with the Force.
A storm still has to travel around and go ship-by-ship.
A spread out force of fighters can't be taken out so easily, and a squadron of Annihilators can rip into the ship he's on. Quite willing to do suicide attacks as well.
Several dozen Annihilator squadrons attack from a dozen directions, supported by other fighters (including Sith pilots) to prevent any defending fighters from stopping them, while dozens of capital ships are also around. Sidious can do *one* force storm at a time and it can't be in front and behind, on top and beneath, to the left and to the right, of his location at the same time. Who do you think wins?
Grand Admiral Thrawn is also a pretty good trump card. Even with a bunch of Force users, you're not outsmarting that guy.
You can still blow him up, though, especially if you have advantages he either doesn't know about or doesn't have a counter for. Even he had to retreat on a couple occasions, he just makes forces under his command more efficient, not invincible.
Assassinate him, for the other option.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Thrawn puts a colony of Ysalamiri on every Star destroyer and the Death Star~
There aren't enough Ysalamiri in existence for that. Remember, they're from just one planet, they're delicate, and the range of one is just a few meters. You need a large concentration to do the job.
Hitting their planet with a plague would solve things fast...
Or of course, one could use them against Sidious's force storms. Because neither side actually has more access to them than the other.
Ares836Anyway, it's a good fight. Krayt has the strongest Sith Order ever with him but Palpatine's military is apparently larger IIRC and he seems to have more brilliant commanders.
Palpatine has a few specific brilliant commanders, but the average isn't any better, the Krayt Empire has a solid number of good commanders. Consider how the bulk of the fighting has to be done by the rank and file, and only one side will have Sith alongside it's commanders.
And due to the Dragon Ship/Sith Trooper fleet and their force weaponry, I'd say that Krayt's fleet is the stronger.
Ground fighting, Stormies vs Stormies with Sith attached to the units (oh, and some non-humans in the ranks as well, IMO also an edge).
Fighters, TIE Fighters and Interceptors vs Predators/Sith Imperial Fighters (which all have shields and hyperdrives. Even if you even the tech in other areas, they've got the X-wing edge, basically), with Sith attached to the units.
The presence of Sith give a small edge to basic warfare on each level.
Then the trump card, thousands of cyborg Sith Troopers, force powerful and who are carried around in Dragon Ships half again as long as an ISD II, and are used to pilot Annihilators, which due to their shield-piercing weaponry can shoot up capital ships in short order.
No combat unit in the Empire can stop that, not without Sidious providing storms, and even that has limits. Thrawn, faced with the Dragonship fleet, will use his brilliance to figure out the minimum forces he can lose while escaping.
Still going with Sheev. There's no tech disparity here; Sheev's Empire is larger, more militarized, and equipped with more capable commanders. Sheev also can spam his enemies with Force storms and super weapons. The rank and file of Krayt's empire will probably see mass defections when they realize how much Sheev outclasses Krayt.
...That's actually a thought. One of Sidious's best moves is to simply try to confront Krayt head on. Even if Krayt flees, other Force Sensitives will sense how badly outclassed Krayt really is. And may switch sides.
Though I suppose the premise of the fight includes 'nobody is allowed to convert anyone on the opposing team.'
Speaking of which, actually getting rid of Sidious is about impossible. For all his future knowledge, I don't think Krayt knows about Byss.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Still going with Sheev. There's no tech disparity here; Sheev's Empire is larger, more militarized, and equipped with more capable commanders. Sheev also can spam his enemies with Force storms and super weapons. The rank and file of Krayt's empire will probably see mass defections when they realize how much Sheev outclasses Krayt.
If Sheev has superweapons, then Krayt has his 'fighter squadrons that can blow up Star Destroyers thanks to their shield-piercing force weaponry' and the bigger-than-ISD ships they launch from.
And 'sending Sith agents to make governors defect,' is something the One Sith do, but the GE doesn't really have enough agents to try (Oh, sure, they could send Inquisitors and, heh, 'Dark Side Elite,' but those'll mostly die to OS pretty fast, and they could do a few dozen planets to OS sending agents to several hundred).
Average commanders, I do think is not a disadvantage to the Krayt Empire either. They have Sith on their side, which also prevents disloyalty or cowardice, and have the advantages of force foresight helping out their decisions. The GE only has *one* Thrawn, after all, and they've got plenty of incompetents too.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
...That's actually a thought. One of Sidious's best moves is to simply try to confront Krayt head on. Even if Krayt flees, other Force Sensitives will sense how badly outclassed Krayt really is. And may switch sides.
Sith Troopers, no chance of defection there. Krayt can have a number of them at any confrontation spot, he doesn't have to avoid a confrontation and may indeed welcome it, since it will not be a one-on-one. Against outside threats he won't feel the need to limit himself to a straight duel.
While there's some individuals who may switch in some conditions, many are loyal to either Krayt and/or the One Sith cause, even unto death. Talon is very loyal to Krayt. Wyyrlok believes in Krayt's dream. Kruhl had no problem going on a suicide mission vs a stronger foe.
Some, like Stryfe, would be willing to switch *after* a fight but not before, and may step aside if a duel happens, but not before.
Nihl I could see switching if he was given a message independently, but *only* if he believed it'd grant him great power. I don't think he'd be willing to play 'you can be backup, just in case something happens to Vader,' but could switch if the actual apprentice slot opened up. Would not be adverse to lightning'ing Sidious in the back if it raised him enough in Krayt's eyes to be taught everything.
Maladi... tougher to judge. She was willing to play at disloyalty but only actually did so as part of Krayt's plan. Also joined in alongside Krayt vs Morne/Muur. Doesn't believe in a fair fight.
Though I suppose the premise of the fight includes 'nobody is allowed to convert anyone on the opposing team.'
We could do it either way.
I'll mention my earlier comment that Krayt could likely get *Vader* to defect, since he can heal Anakin's burns and knows Anakin personally so he'd totally try.
And I think Vader defecting would be a death-blow, more-so than the OS losing some lesser individuals would be.
Speaking of which, actually getting rid of Sidious is about impossible. For all his future knowledge, I don't think Krayt knows about Byss.
Why wouldn't he? It's in the history books, public knowledge.